Let's see how well Captain Checkdown plays for us tomorrow and then we'll know what we have in him also.
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Let's see how well Captain Checkdown plays for us tomorrow and then we'll know what we have in him also.
John Elway has a lower career passer rating than Jeff George, Jake Delhomme and Chad Pennington.Quote:
Originally Posted by Henry Burris
Here is a post from another forum that illustrates the merits of Total QBR over traditional passer rating:
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In his first start for the Colts in place of the injured Peyton Manning, Kerry Collins recorded the lowest Total QBR of the week with an abysmal 2.3. Interestingly, he had an 82.3 NFL passer rating -- almost exactly at last season’s NFL average passer rating (82.2), and higher than that of his opposing quarterback in Week 1, Matt Schaub of the Texans (78.5 NFL passer rating).
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Here are a couple reasons Total QBR is the more complete and accurate representation of Collins’ performance:
•Collins took three sacks for 25 yards, which are negative plays for his team. Total QBR takes sacks into account; NFL passer rating does not.
•Collins fumbled three times (losing two), including twice on consecutive offensive plays (one sack, one mishandled snap) when the game was still close early in the first quarter. Both of those fumbles gave Houston possession inside the Indianapolis 20-yard line. Total QBR takes into account these major negative plays; NFL passer rating does not factor in fumbles.
•When the game was still within reason in the first quarter and early second, Collins went 5-5, but for only 34 yards. Only one of those completions resulted in a first down. When the game was out of hand (Colts down by 24 or more points), Collins threw for 163 of his 197 total yards and nine first downs (including his one touchdown) -- essentially meaningless outcomes. NFL passer rating counts each of those attempts as the same; Total QBR takes into account the time and score on each play to gauge how important it was to deciding the game’s outcome and weighs it accordingly.
•By looking at Collins’ overall performance in the context of the game, Total QBR accurately penalizes Collins for hurting the Colts early on when the game was still close. Even though NFL passer rating shows differently, Collins did MUCH less to help his team than Schaub did, and Total QBR accurately gauges that (Schaub finished with a Total QBR of 71.0 for the game).
Drops, incompletions.... all play a part.
BUT, INTs also kill the rating.
You could have a crappy completion percentage and still have a high QBR
http://www.primecomputing.com/
I don't think any are perfect, but I agree that QBR is the better rating
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Originally Posted by The Benjamin
The Total QBR is a better metric than the old quarterback rating. If you look at that list in the OP, you see
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RK PLAYER PASS EPA RUN EPA SACK EPA PEN EPA TOTAL EPA ACT PLAYS QB PAR QB PAA TOTAL QBR 1 Peyton Manning, DEN 61.6 2.1 -7.1 7.0 63.6 386 82.3 50.2 84.8 2 Tom Brady, NE 77.8 1.1 -9.8 4.5 73.5 417 78.5 43.8 80.1 3 Matt Ryan, ATL 89.1 8.5 -18.6 4.1 83.2 422 77.7 42.6 79.2 4 Andrew Luck, IND 60.4 17.3 -13.0 10.7 75.5 451 79.8 42.3 77.6 5 Aaron Rodgers, GB 66.3 11.1 -22.7 7.5 62.2 425 67.4 32.1 73.1
If you look at Cutler's area of the TQBR chart you see:
That lines up with how Cutler is performing. He's not performing at an elite level by any means. He's better than Gabbert and Vick. Rivers has had a rough year, and Cutler looks about like him out there this year. That's what I see anyway. A struggling QB not playing up to his potential.Quote:
23 Philip Rivers, SD 29.3 -0.7 -11.9 4.7 21.4 364 28.8 -1.4 48.8 24 Matt Hasselbeck, TEN 23.5 0.2 -9.6 0.5 14.6 266 20.8 -1.2 48.5 25 Jay Cutler, CHI 23.5 10.4 -16.7 2.6 19.9 335 26.2 -1.6 48.4 26 Ryan Tannehill, MIA 32.7 -0.4 -15.2 7.6 24.8 384 29.6 -2.3 48.0 27 Michael Vick, PHI 36.1 3.7 -20.5 7.5 26.9 431 32.5 -3.3 47.5 28 Blaine Gabbert, JAC 23.4 -0.4 -14.1 4.6 13.4 356 20.1 -9.4 41.3
We can argue as to "why" Cutler is a bottom-feeder in the NFL this year at QB. But at least SOME of the fault is his. He makes some bonehead decisions that cost us fumbles, sacks and ints.
You can't sugar coat it. It's reality.
And there, my friends, is the proverbial Sledge Hammer. Can't sugar coat those numbers, this offense has been poor all year as signified by Cutler's numbers. Most of their production has either been handed to them by the D or "garbage time" scores.Quote:
Originally Posted by JustAnotherBearsFan99
Like the man says, we can argue as to why but you still can't change that these guys are playing lousy football this year :(
These two posts are it in a nutshell. I think most Bear fans have been "Full Speed Ahead" with Cutler as our QB. We have all thought that we finally have our franchise QB. Maybe we still do, but I think a lot of us have gone to a wait and see attitude. There is no argument that he CAN do it. For some reason he is not.
This is totally my specualtion and it may only be 10 pounds of bullshit, but I think Cutler is running this thing - if not formally, then informally or at least in his own mind. He has his WR, hw has his coach, he has the ability to call plays. None of these things are bad. As a matter of fact, they create a huge comfort factor. Different poeple deal with that differently. Some people relax and perform better. Some people relax and blow it off (don't think that is the case here), and some people get this "untouchable" attitude and don't take direction any more because they do what they want. This last one has been on my mind. I don't know if is happening, but I keep wondering about it. For Cutler, the environment he created may not be optimal.
I'm just not sure. I want to see what he can do with protection, and then I hope we will all have a better idea of what is happening. There are so many moving parts..... We think Tice is responsible for some not very good game planning. Is what we are seeing on Tice or Cutler? No way it's all Tice because the QB may have a play to run, but if people are covered or it develops differently, his job is to check down or throw it away.
Maybe Captain Checkdown Cambell can give him a quick seminar on checking down. We need a guy to play somewhere in between the two extreemes
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Originally Posted by XxMidwayMonstersxX
I guess he told me.
Sorry,I am not into the whole "Sabremetrics for football" thing.
My point was,you can derive whatever meaning you choose from numbers.
You want to call Cutler a bad QB? Have a ball.
Have we forgotten what it was like to have a crummy QB?
Jay does need to play up to his ceiling,which is very high.
Getting some new weapons helps,now how about some pass protection?
Give credit to the offensive line for not getting beaten too badly by the Texans.
Just remember that the Bears used a lot of max protect,and limited their downfield options.
What would Cutlers' QBR be,if he wasn't always running for his life?
7&2 are the numbers that speak to me,and the ones that mean something in the real world.
For those that like relying on stats for probably outcomes,have at it.
I prefer the eyeball test,and what I see is an uber competitive QB that hasn't quit;
given plenty of opportunity and reason to do so.
Think about the laughable wide recievers he's been saddled with(prior to this year).
I'm more concerned about his health issues,than his QBR,dealing with diabetes is one thing.
The constant pounding he has taken since arriving here,is another.
This concussion thing is even more troubling,since he is the franchise QB.
I have waited decades to have a QB like this,maybe it's not enough for some;
suffer through enough embarrassing seasons,and you may see it differently.
I'll take an ugly win,over a gorgeous loss every time.
Was Cutler given the option to select his own offensive lineman? I doubt he would have selected more than 1 out of these 5 people to block for him if it was his choice (I'm being generous in that statement). You need to begin watching the game from the offensive line and then you will begin to see why this offense has not gotten very far.Quote:
Originally Posted by bearsinhouston
True, except the line did ok during the Texans game. Cutler did not. And we haven't gone after linemen yet. He may still get to pick one.
I have been saying that the OL is a huge problem. However, this last game that excuse is gone.
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Originally Posted by inchibearfan