Thread: NFL Total QBR - 2012 Season Leaders

Originally Posted by Henry Burris

Michael Vick has a higher QBR than John Elway....

John Elway has a lower career passer rating than Jeff George, Jake Delhomme and Chad Pennington.

Here is a post from another forum that illustrates the merits of Total QBR over traditional passer rating:

In his first start for the Colts in place of the injured Peyton Manning, Kerry Collins recorded the lowest Total QBR of the week with an abysmal 2.3. Interestingly, he had an 82.3 NFL passer rating -- almost exactly at last season’s NFL average passer rating (82.2), and higher than that of his opposing quarterback in Week 1, Matt Schaub of the Texans (78.5 NFL passer rating).

Here are a couple reasons Total QBR is the more complete and accurate representation of Collins’ performance:
•Collins took three sacks for 25 yards, which are negative plays for his team. Total QBR takes sacks into account; NFL passer rating does not.
•Collins fumbled three times (losing two), including twice on consecutive offensive plays (one sack, one mishandled snap) when the game was still close early in the first quarter. Both of those fumbles gave Houston possession inside the Indianapolis 20-yard line. Total QBR takes into account these major negative plays; NFL passer rating does not factor in fumbles.
•When the game was still within reason in the first quarter and early second, Collins went 5-5, but for only 34 yards. Only one of those completions resulted in a first down. When the game was out of hand (Colts down by 24 or more points), Collins threw for 163 of his 197 total yards and nine first downs (including his one touchdown) -- essentially meaningless outcomes. NFL passer rating counts each of those attempts as the same; Total QBR takes into account the time and score on each play to gauge how important it was to deciding the game’s outcome and weighs it accordingly.
•By looking at Collins’ overall performance in the context of the game, Total QBR accurately penalizes Collins for hurting the Colts early on when the game was still close. Even though NFL passer rating shows differently, Collins did MUCH less to help his team than Schaub did, and Total QBR accurately gauges that (Schaub finished with a Total QBR of 71.0 for the game).

The Total QBR is a better metric than the old quarterback rating. If you look at that list in the OP, you see

RK	PLAYER	PASS EPA	RUN EPA	SACK EPA	PEN EPA	TOTAL EPA	ACT PLAYS	QB PAR	QB PAA	TOTAL QBR
1	Peyton Manning, DEN	61.6	2.1	-7.1	7.0	63.6	386	82.3	50.2	84.8
2	Tom Brady, NE	77.8	1.1	-9.8	4.5	73.5	417	78.5	43.8	80.1
3	Matt Ryan, ATL	89.1	8.5	-18.6	4.1	83.2	422	77.7	42.6	79.2
4	Andrew Luck, IND	60.4	17.3	-13.0	10.7	75.5	451	79.8	42.3	77.6
5	Aaron Rodgers, GB	66.3	11.1	-22.7	7.5	62.2	425	67.4	32.1	73.1

If you look at Cutler's area of the TQBR chart you see:

23	Philip Rivers, SD	29.3	-0.7	-11.9	4.7	21.4	364	28.8	-1.4	48.8
24	Matt Hasselbeck, TEN	23.5	0.2	-9.6	0.5	14.6	266	20.8	-1.2	48.5
25	Jay Cutler, CHI	23.5	10.4	-16.7	2.6	19.9	335	26.2	-1.6	48.4
26	Ryan Tannehill, MIA	32.7	-0.4	-15.2	7.6	24.8	384	29.6	-2.3	48.0
27	Michael Vick, PHI	36.1	3.7	-20.5	7.5	26.9	431	32.5	-3.3	47.5
28	Blaine Gabbert, JAC	23.4	-0.4	-14.1	4.6	13.4	356	20.1	-9.4	41.3

That lines up with how Cutler is performing. He's not performing at an elite level by any means. He's better than Gabbert and Vick. Rivers has had a rough year, and Cutler looks about like him out there this year. That's what I see anyway. A struggling QB not playing up to his potential.

We can argue as to "why" Cutler is a bottom-feeder in the NFL this year at QB. But at least SOME of the fault is his. He makes some bonehead decisions that cost us fumbles, sacks and ints.

You can't sugar coat it. It's reality.

Originally Posted by JustAnotherBearsFan99

We can argue as to "why" Cutler is a bottom-feeder in the NFL this year at QB. But at least SOME of the fault is his. He makes some bonehead decisions that cost us fumbles, sacks and ints.

You can't sugar coat it. It's reality.

And there, my friends, is the proverbial Sledge Hammer. Can't sugar coat those numbers, this offense has been poor all year as signified by Cutler's numbers. Most of their production has either been handed to them by the D or "garbage time" scores.

Like the man says, we can argue as to why​ but you still can't change that these guys are playing lousy football this year :(

These two posts are it in a nutshell. I think most Bear fans have been "Full Speed Ahead" with Cutler as our QB. We have all thought that we finally have our franchise QB. Maybe we still do, but I think a lot of us have gone to a wait and see attitude. There is no argument that he CAN do it. For some reason he is not.

This is totally my specualtion and it may only be 10 pounds of bullshit, but I think Cutler is running this thing - if not formally, then informally or at least in his own mind. He has his WR, hw has his coach, he has the ability to call plays. None of these things are bad. As a matter of fact, they create a huge comfort factor. Different poeple deal with that differently. Some people relax and perform better. Some people relax and blow it off (don't think that is the case here), and some people get this "untouchable" attitude and don't take direction any more because they do what they want. This last one has been on my mind. I don't know if is happening, but I keep wondering about it. For Cutler, the environment he created may not be optimal.

I'm just not sure. I want to see what he can do with protection, and then I hope we will all have a better idea of what is happening. There are so many moving parts..... We think Tice is responsible for some not very good game planning. Is what we are seeing on Tice or Cutler? No way it's all Tice because the QB may have a play to run, but if people are covered or it develops differently, his job is to check down or throw it away.

Maybe Captain Checkdown Cambell can give him a quick seminar on checking down. We need a guy to play somewhere in between the two extreemes

Originally Posted by XxMidwayMonstersxX

And there, my friends, is the proverbial Sledge Hammer. Can't sugar coat those numbers, this offense has been poor all year as signified by Cutler's numbers. Most of their production has either been handed to them by the D or "garbage time" scores.

Like the man says, we can argue as to why​ but you still can't change that these guys are playing lousy football this year :(