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what we learned
Okay, this is quick, b/c I didn't see the whole game, about 2 plays into the 3rd qtr. I've always prided myself in watching at least into the final minutes, but this wasn't a game, it was an execution. The last time I walked away from a game at 1/2 time was the 05 AZ game; I was hoping for the same results, knowing this was not AZ we were playing.
Chi O: Jason Campbell has proven time and again he is not starter quality, and he proved it again last night. Of course the Ol did him no favors, but we all knew they were bad; tell me again how we needed a small situational pass rusher over an OL guy again? Reiff did okay in his time in Det against GB on Sunday, seems he might be decent; anyone think he couldn't outplay Webb? Back to the other JC you can expect more of the same from our backup, he's not nfl quality and to think otherwise is to ignore history. His throws were off all night, that first pick thrown to Hester was a horrid pass, maybe Hester should have ran a better route, but why are you throwing an out pattern to Hester to begin with? Haven't we gone over this before, he needs to be in the middle of the field, facing the ball. But beyond that it seemed all his passes were off.
Chi D: took the night off apparently, there was zero fight. But one thing you can take out of this, no to's means good field position for the other team b/c this D is not meant to get the other team to go 3 and out, it's meant to let them stay on the field and score or give the ball back via turn over. Tonight they scored and scored often.
Chi coaches, Well w/no OL how can you even run a effective gameplan on O? Now as for Lovie and Hot Rod, your team and your D got worked by a 2nd year guy in his first start. they knew you were going to stop Gore and they game planned for it, and owned your sorry ass game plan. And per Lovie's MO, no adjustments were made. Lovie is a 1 trick pony, turn overs and if not he's got no backup.
SF O: 2nd round 2nd year qb 1st start looks just fine out there, tell me again why drafting/developing a guy is the wrong way to go again? But the real difference, 3 starting OL guys are all 1st round picks(I believe that is what I heard) You have to commit to the OL, and you have to make the right pick also.
SF D: Dominated the OL and the rest is history.
SF Coaches: THis is the problem w/Lovie, you can do a lot worse then him, but at the same time you can do a lot better. And tonight proved it. SF out coached the Bears all night, were 3 steps ahead of them all night.
All that being said, who really had this game racked up as a win? I didnt have us beating GB, Hou or SF. They were at best coinflip games. And the fact that they got brow beat should be a wake up call for this team, and it's coaches and the F/O that thought that this OL was good enough and we could afford a luxry pick at 19. Well next year they wont make that mistake.
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That is probably the best post I've read today. Loved this part in particular. Any Bears QB playing behind THIS oline is headed for the gallows:
this wasn't a game, it was an execution
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WTF are you saying. Campbell not only is a starting caliber NFL QB but he's started over 70 games in his career and won over 30 of them playing for some absolutely shitty teams in Washington and Oakland. If you want to blame someone blame the guy again whose job it was to prepare him and provide a game plan he could win with. What you saw last night wasn't it.
Who do you want for a backup Ric? Hanie or McCown? You saw what a good offensive minded HC could do to prepare a rookie to go out and beat the second best defense in the NFC last night. A FUCKING ROOKIE undressed that defense last night like they were an stripper wearing a tear away costume. So let's not blame Campbell. He's a competent veteran NFL QB playing for an incompetent rookie OC. We should have been learning this for nine weeks before last night and if we hadn't learned it yet then last night was the final exam. No QB in the league could have won with that offense last night.
The D didn't take the night off. Lovie got out coached by another HC with a brilliant offensive mind. Harbaugh used Vernon Davis to run routes that challenged Briggs and Wright to cover him man on man and they couldn't do it. They tried and it's not like he was wide open but they didn't have the speed to match up with him and Kaepernick put the ball right on the money. I'll bet they spent a lot of time perfecting those throws that did work while we spent the week trying to perfect ones that didn't. Of course when your QB has no time to even throw how would you even know right?
The defense got out manned last night pure and simple. SF came out and punched them square in the nose with formations and plays they weren't even close to being prepared for. You could see that early in the game because they were having trouble recognizing some of the formations SF was using. Lovie wasn't prepared for what Harbaugh threw at him so neither was the D.
I'll agree with you that you have to draft and develop your line and your QBs but that only works when you have coaches who can develop them. For whatever reason we seem to be shy of that type as it relates to our offense. After last night I'd fire every single God damn one of them after the season ends and then re-interview the one or two I might decide to keep. Our lineman don't develop, bam line coach gone, our TE play is about the worst in the league, bam TE coach gone, we had to trade for an All Pro WR because we can't develop them, bam Drake gone too.
In the four years since Cutler has arrived we've failed to field a decent offense either and we've blamed most of that on a lack of offensive talent. Well this offseason Emery went out and got some a drafted even more yet what have we got. Bupkis, that's what we've got. We handed Tice and his guys talent and they still can't do anything with it. Screw drafting lineman and QBs can we trade our picks on the first and second rounds for a coaching staff that can run and offense? We need that more than we need more players who just turn out the same as the ones we've drafted before.
Yes we could do a lot worse than Lovie but Lovie needs to grow same balls and start creating imperatives among his coaches and players as far we showing up in the big games. I'm sick and tired of hearing about or reading articles about how Cutler never wins the big games. Well last night he wasn't even a part of it was he? So another theory disproved. It's not Cutler it's this whole coaching staff who allows themselves to get too arrogant and too overly proud and then gets their asses handed to them time and time again every year by the better teams in the league.
I like Lovie and the players like him too but I want to see somebody coaching the Bears that doesn't take losses with such a grain on salt. I want to see a HC and his staff who hate to lose.
I'm getting to that age where a lifetime warranty just doesn't mean as much to me anymore as an afternoon nap. 
Honey Badger Don't Care. Honey Badger Don't Give a Shit.
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We learned that our offensive line may in fact be the worst in the NFL.
We learned that Cutler would have been killed had he played last night
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Originally Posted by
soulman 
Campbell not only is a starting caliber NFL QB but he's started over 70 games in his career and won over 30 of them playing for some absolutely shitty teams in Washington and Oakland.
Ever think that his "contribution" to those shitty teams are the reason he is less than .500 as a starter?
Or, more likely, that those teams were shitty BECAUSE he was the starter?
'Cause, let's face it... Campbell has always sucked.
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Originally Posted by
The Benjamin We learned that our offensive line may in fact be the worst in the NFL.
We learned that Cutler would have been killed had he played last night
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Last edited by JustAnotherBearsFan99; 11-20-2012 at 04:09 PM.
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Originally Posted by
loki520 Ever think that his "contribution" to those shitty teams are the reason he is less than .500 as a starter?
Or, more likely, that those teams were shitty BECAUSE he was the starter?
'Cause, let's face it... Campbell has always sucked.
What sucks is that he is still a major upgrade of the garbage we have had play qb over the last 20 years. I would say Jay Cutler, Erik Kramer and Harbaugh are better players than him and everybody else is worse.
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Soul, Campbell sucks, always did always will; Rex Grossman and Orton have also started a ton, So did Couch, and a lot of other shitty qb's, doesn't make them good b/c they have started. There is a reason he's a backup now, and not a starter somewhere. Ya, I wanted to draft a qb and develop him; and you might be right, he might not have gotten the correct preperation b/c of a lack of quality coaching...but then again he woulnd't have cost us 3.5mil either would he? The "vet" backup signing was a ploy to get fans off the teams back for the failure to have drafted/prepared Haine. But that's all he was, a ploy. Campbell/Leftwhich/Orton etc etc all have shown they are not quality so why have them backup knowing full well they are not worth starting if you need them?
The players, regardless of the calls, still have to make plays; and they didn't. the D was manhandled, not b/c of the coaches, b/c they weren't as good as the guys they faced.
I agree w/you on one thing, the Coaches are a larger problem then they are getting heat for. And they share a large portion of the blame for what happened last night, and the lack of preperation of the players.
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Originally Posted by
Riczaj01 Soul, Campbell sucks, always did always will; Rex Grossman and Orton have also started a ton, So did Couch, and a lot of other shitty qb's, doesn't make them good b/c they have started. There is a reason he's a backup now, and not a starter somewhere. Ya, I wanted to draft a qb and develop him; and you might be right, he might not have gotten the correct preperation b/c of a lack of quality coaching...but then again he woulnd't have cost us 3.5mil either would he? The "vet" backup signing was a ploy to get fans off the teams back for the failure to have drafted/prepared Haine. But that's all he was, a ploy. Campbell/Leftwhich/Orton etc etc all have shown they are not quality so why have them backup knowing full well they are not worth starting if you need them?
The players, regardless of the calls, still have to make plays; and they didn't. the D was manhandled, not b/c of the coaches, b/c they weren't as good as the guys they faced.
I agree w/you on one thing, the Coaches are a larger problem then they are getting heat for. And they share a large portion of the blame for what happened last night, and the lack of preperation of the players.
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Originally Posted by
soulman The D didn't take the night off. Lovie got out coached by another HC with a brilliant offensive mind. Harbaugh used Vernon Davis to run routes that challenged Briggs and Wright to cover him man on man and they couldn't do it.
As much as I would love to harpoon Lovie on this point, it was Marinelli that was outcoached. His responsibility to get the D ready and to make adjustments. Lovie would only get involved if Marinelli couldn't do it, but he was sleeping.
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