Thread: The OFFICIAL Offensive Line Sucks Thread

Emery has his hands full. He's got a coaching team that simply does not know HOW to build a solid offense. Chicago isn't just what Moose M. said (about where WR's come to die), it's more accurate so say it's where an offense never lives, to begin with.

Lovie understands defense, and I like what we have there. With Toub, we always have a solid ST's unit. But on offense, we haven't a clue as to how to build one, and how to coach one.

Our drafting on offense is abysmal (with a few notable exceptions, like at RB). Even Alshon (whom I like a lot) looks like he could be injury prone. B.Marsh we had to get through FA (nothing wrong with that, just pointing out that we didn't get him through the draft).

I'm hoping we end up having a great season, in spite of our oline woes. And I really don't relish the thought of sweeping out all the coaches if we fail this latter part of the season (new coaches don't necessarily work.......they can fail too. Even ones who were successful previously in their careers). But what do you do? The whole situation makes me sick.

And some people want Bates promoted to OC. But his resume is thin. He may or may not be a decent QB coach. He did have 1 season as an OC in Seattle but got fired after that 1 season.

Man, I would hope that we could do better than that. Get somebody in who actually KNOWS how to build a great offense and run it.

Emery seems like he may be able to solve the personnel issues we have on offense. But it's not a 1 year task. But, it's something I believe he's up to the challenge of doing. I think this Emery is going to be a gem for us. I am excited about him.

I think he will make a serious upgrade next season (OL). Then in 2014 he can complete the makeover for the offense (we won't completely fix Jerry Angelo's mess by next season. Not completely).

Then Emery is going to have to lay the law down with Lovie if we keep him for next year. Lovie is not good on game day. But he does seem to have other good qualities as a HC. But Lovie will only be as good as his 3 coordinators. I believe 2 of the 3 are solid. Tice though, is lost. Martz wasn't the answer either. Turner was actually a better OC than Tice IMHO.

So Emery, somehow, needs to get an upgrade at OC, if Lovie stays. I believe our best move would be THIS rather than sweep everything out the door, and gamble that we can rebuild everything with all new coaches, including the HC. Fans always want to believe that getting a new HC automatically solves all of their woes.

The problem is that most of the time, the new guy is no better than the old guy. And often worse. Look at some of the sad franchises that are jokes year in, and year out. They're always getting new coaches. But they're still a pile of crap.

There can be serious consequences to sweeping the coaching staff out. Maybe it's smarter to fix the offense, and keep the great defense and special teams - and keep Lovie here. And maybe win a few Super Bowls once Emery gets the offense build with talent (OL too) and a solid OC.

You know other than the things I listed about the O-line (castoffs, 7th rounders, simplified playbook) there's the most telling and basic elephant in the room that really pointed that all of Tice's experiments would fail. That would be that there is no improvement even vs. our OWN D line in practice.

You see the effect with competition with Jennings when they brought in Hayden. You see Peanut get better going against Bmarsh. The O-line until recently hasn't had to worry about their jobs and one would think going against Pep. and co. they would get better. They haven't.

It's talent and competition pure and simple.

1. Even though a team can occasionally coach up a 7th round pick, or even a guy who went undrafted - this is the exception not the rule.

2. The Bears try this too often.

3. Even if you do, occasionally pull this off, and get chicken salad out of chicken poop - it can take a longer time to develop one of these "projects". During the development years, it can be brutal. And after investing years into one of these long-shot projects (like Webb), you still may end up with a bust player, and wasted effort. In the meantime, what is the cost to the team when multiple seasons go by with a guy like Webb? You get your QB beat like a drum. It can cripple your entire offense for multiple years. So, it's not like a "smart team" would gamble too often on a long shot working out. But on the Bears, we try to make a living on late round OL picks & bums who nobody in the entire NFL felt like drafting. The result is that our skill players are not allowed to reach anything near their potential (Cutler, and now even Forte).

4. Even when we DID spend our high round picks on OL, we drafted crap players, all too often. So, we can't develop talent. We can't draft it (at least under Angelo) - and we can't coach it.

That's our oline woes in a nutshell.

Originally Posted by Shark86x

Ive been out of action and am trying tocatchup. It looks likee several threads were merged here,but the overall theme is the bad oline. I am starting towonder if it is rellay the players or the coa Ccaching responsible. Yes the guys were hrown around liek rag dolls last game, but the game plan may ave put theminthe wrong position withthe wrong mindset. And thewrong actions to watch out for.

I thi,k tice bates and drake all need to go. But if we start drafting only omen, how do we replace urlacher. In another thread it was discussed how old andslow he looks. We need to replace him too. Emery really does have a lot of work ib front of him, and it will take several yeaes to turn this team around.

I still cantbelieve toughguy rachael gave up and walked out after his performance. Good riddance.

Shark, this has been going on since 2010. In the San Fran game the QB got hammered more than once on 3- step drops. What the heck do you call, if your offensive line can't hold for a 3 step drop?

Rachal was 100% wrong to walk. But he wasn't half as bad as Webb and Carimi. It was our tackles who failed (by far) the most. The only guy worth keeping on that oline is Louis.