Thread: Can Bears get their own Kalil?

Sure, they can get their own Kalil in the draft. But do you want Tice regressing them? Same goes for FA too-why get one when they'll be wasted. Any talent you put into Tice's system right now will turn to bum. Would love to get Clady or Long but that's expensive and the Broncos will probably keep Clady if they have a brain in their head. If financially possible I'd shoot for Bushrod.

Bottom line: you pull the plug on Webb. I don't wish to see him "develop" for 3 more years while the qb gets battered game in and game out.

Originally Posted by inchibearfan

What talent has Tice had to work with on this offensive line? The thing I fault Tice for is saying that the line will be fine and keeping Webb at the left tackle. Other players who have played better than Webb have been benched, but Webb has been given a pass and even a promotion (from right to left tackle).

Other that former first round pick Carimi Tice CHOSE not to bring in any talent. He stood pat in the draft while bringing in castoffs and re-treads. The talent he has (Carimi) has regressed. Tice is too stubborn to bench Webb even though we all know it should be done.

Originally Posted by inchibearfan

I apologize, I did not realize Tice did the signings for the Bears. Why was Angelo fired then? I am not saying Tice is great, but you cannot coach crap to become diamonds, it just doesn't happen.

Emery filled the positions the coaches felt they needed. Tice thought he could make it w/what he had. Even if we had a Kalil he would have regressed just as much as these vets he's brought in here.

I once thought Tice could mold talent but no more.

Here's the "reality check" and news nobody wants to hear. Obtaining a truly solid LT is about like trying to get a franchise QB. Anyone available through FA is probably not going to be very good. We are not going to get one through the draft either. Not at where we will be drafting. I believe that is why the Bears are trying to get Webb to be our LT. He has made strides this year. He's probably better than what we'd get through FA. And if we try to draft another "project" like Webb, we'll go through the whole "Webb thing" again for 2 or 3 more years of pain and bad games. It just takes years to develop a "project" OLman. If we'd have a top-5 pick in the draft, that's another matter entirely. Yes, we could get a stud who would contribute day-1. But we won't be able to do that.

The good news is that we CAN get a solid RT. They're easier to find. I'd like to see us draft one. Emery is up to that task.

The best news is that we can draft a real stud interior lineman. They're easy to draft.

Anything we get through FA will be overpriced garbage from another team. And hopefully we never ever repeat the Orlando Pace fiasco again.

Originally Posted by JustAnotherBearsFan99

Here's the "reality check" and news nobody wants to hear. Obtaining a truly solid LT is about like trying to get a franchise QB. Anyone available through FA is probably not going to be very good. We are not going to get one through the draft either. Not at where we will be drafting. I believe that is why the Bears are trying to get Webb to be our LT. He has made strides this year. He's probably better than what we'd get through FA. And if we try to draft another "project" like Webb, we'll go through the whole "Webb thing" again for 2 or 3 more years of pain and bad games. It just takes years to develop a "project" OLman. If we'd have a top-5 pick in the draft, that's another matter entirely. Yes, we could get a stud who would contribute day-1. But we won't be able to do that.

The good news is that we CAN get a solid RT. They're easier to find. I'd like to see us draft one. Emery is up to that task.

The best news is that we can draft a real stud interior lineman. They're easy to draft.

Anything we get through FA will be overpriced garbage from another team. And hopefully we never ever repeat the Orlando Pace fiasco again.

So when is Webb going to "get it". If he improves from being the number 31 to number 30 LT is THAT progress on the last ranked team in pass-pro? What other OC is going to put up w/that? A rook would have less of a learning curve WITH a new OC than ol' Webb head.

Webb is still making the same mistakes both mental and physical. Beat off the line, hand placement, kick slide, angle, where to start? Does he look SLIGHTLY better b/c of all the chip help? Add to that Tice hasn't corrected his habits and people think adding seasons will help this guy??

Sorry, but I'll take Bushrod or a rook over this bum ANY day.

​I would disagree with you, SFB.

Tice's record as an O-Line coach is pretty darn good. There is only so much that a coach can do though. Tice may have hooted and hollered up and down Halas Hall but the folks in charge CHOSE to draft other positions. We'll never know the truth of the matter but we DO KNOW that the Bears haven't historically drafted up front. What we can see though is Tice's record as an O-Line coach and it is more than respectable. His record as a head coach or OC are not the greatest. Just because the Bears' O-Line is faltering doesn't make it Tice's fault entirely. I don't think that it is a coincidence that Webb's regression is taking place after Tice was promoted to OC.

Originally Posted by short faced bear

So when is Webb going to "get it". If he improves from being the number 31 to number 30 LT is THAT progress on the last ranked team in pass-pro? What other OC is going to put up w/that? A rook would have less of a learning curve WITH a new OC than ol' Webb head.

Webb is still making the same mistakes both mental and physical. Beat off the line, hand placement, kick slide, angle, where to start? Does he look SLIGHTLY better b/c of all the chip help? Add to that Tice hasn't corrected his habits and people think adding seasons will help this guy??

Sorry, but I'll take Bushrod or a rook over this bum ANY day.

I'm not advocating Webb. I'm just saying there are not any easy options for us. I wish there were. Webb would need to get more consistent to be the answer at LT. He may never be the answer. I think most of us have been so angry with him that we can't be truly objective in evaluating his performance. It's been a rough ride with him. A nightmare.

But if we try another project player, there will be:

1. A learning curve just like Webb and Carimi.

2. He may never work out and be a bust too.

The real answer is to have a top-5 pick out of the draft and get a guy who wouldn't need 2 or 3 years to develop. But honestly, how do the Bears get a top-5 draft pick? It just isn't in the cards for us.

The decent FA LT's are not going to be let go by their teams. The only thing we could hope for is something like we had with Cutler. Almost a freak accident. But I doubt that's going to happen.