Thread: 49ers debacle forces adjustments to forestall disaster

Originally Posted by JustAnotherBearsFan99

I thought that was one heck of a good article. Maybe something good will result from the SF debacle. The oline may end up being OK, and at least be "good enough" that the season isn't over.

And we DO need the offense this year. If we depend solely on the defense to carry us, then our post season will be brief. We DO need the offense to help out.

I agree JABF. Really good article and analysis by Pompei. Not his usual puff piece where he spouts the official team line and says nothing insightful.

We all know what Webb is and isnt (as Pompei didnt sugarcoat). He's always going to be inconsistent and a potential liability. He is a bottom of the barrel starting LT and should be pushed down the depth chart to compete for the swing. That means an aggressive and expensive FA move this offseason, no excuses.

I don't understand wtf happened to Carimi. Since he looked good early last year, I'm still hoping he's not fully 100% recovered from the injury/surgery and is struggling as a rookie even more so because of that. You don't see a lot of 6' 7" guards so he needs to come back strong next year as our starting RT.

In the meantime, Scott is definitely the best option. As is EWill at LG. Why the hell Tice was trying to shoehorn Spencer in there when he sucked early on this year and played much better at RG last season is beyond me. Leave him as backup RG/OC.

Thats the best we can do for the rest of this year.

Well, that is what I see as a Tice issue. These are only my personal feelings and I definitely could be wrong (God knows that never happens...)

When Tice got his shiny new WR toys, I feel that the expectation was for there to be a real passing threat. And I believe he felt that he had to show that he knew how to put one together with his new weapons. Some of his comments saying that he would have an explosive passing attack tend to support that.

But OC 101 pretty much tells you that you need to protect the QB and give him some time to in fact be able to produce with a passing game. I don't know if he genuinely thought his guys could do it or just felt so pressured to show a passing attack that he pressed on even knowing he could not protect, but it was misguided. You need a foundation on the house before you start building spires or they will fall.

I think a team can accomplish more with a very strong OL and so-so RB, QB and WR than they can with a really crappy OL and a good QB, RB and WR. You might not be explosive, but you can probably grind it out.

I see them trying to build backwards from the QB. A QB is important and you grab him as soon as you can. I liked that move, but you have to follow it up very quickly with a strong OL or you can not produce or even worse, you can lose that recent QB investment.

Then you back fill with RB and WR weapons. At least that is the way I would have gone about it. Sometimes you don't have a choice, but the weak OL symptoms have been visible for years and I would argue that in this case, we did have a choice and made other priorities. Once again, those decisions were misguided. I see more issues with management/coaching than I do with players.

Originally Posted by soulman

You want to really know what the best that can be said is at least IMHO.

The best that can be said is that now Tice is being forced to do what he should have been doing weeks ago. Sticking with the run game, using Michael Bush and his ability to move the ball when Forte gets bottled up, throwing short passes off shorter drops to retain possession and keep the other guys off the field, allowing Cutler to free lance more, putting ERod in a position to catch the ball, throwing to Bennett, playing anyone else at WR BUT Hester, searching for at least one TE who can make a tough catch or a catch period. That's the best that can be said.

This offense needs to start looking like a Bears offense of old for awhile and get off the bus running and keep running complimenting that with short passes to make the other guys pay for playing 8 in the box football to stop the run. Just do that and let Cutler loose and when he gets into scoring range he'll make some big plays. Nobody in the NFL can throw a football into a tighter space than he can but that type of throw needs to be made on key 3rd downs and into the end zone for scores and in order for that to happen we need to at least be somewhere near the endzone and you don't get there facing 3rd and long all game long.

Doesn't it seem a little bit strange that injuries to his best players have finally forced Tice to recognize what may of us have been seeing for about the last 8 weeks or so. What makes that man worth $1 mil per year when collectively it might take 20 of us who could see these problems to make that much this year?

I'm anything but confident this will get us where we need to be offensively but it sure as hell stands and better chance than the way he has been going about it.

My answer to what happen to Carimi, since last year comes down to one word Tice. If he had a better O line coach we won't be see the mistakes out of Carimi we have seen this year.

Originally Posted by MPBears68

I agree JABF. Really good article and analysis by Pompei. Not his usual puff piece where he spouts the official team line and says nothing insightful.

We all know what Webb is and isnt (as Pompei didnt sugarcoat). He's always going to be inconsistent and a potential liability. He is a bottom of the barrel starting LT and should be pushed down the depth chart to compete for the swing. That means an aggressive and expensive FA move this offseason, no excuses.

I don't understand wtf happened to Carimi. Since he looked good early last year, I'm still hoping he's not fully 100% recovered from the injury/surgery and is struggling as a rookie even more so because of that. You don't see a lot of 6' 7" guards so he needs to come back strong next year as our starting RT.

In the meantime, Scott is definitely the best option. As is EWill at LG. Why the hell Tice was trying to shoehorn Spencer in there when he sucked early on this year and played much better at RG last season is beyond me. Leave him as backup RG/OC.

Thats the best we can do for the rest of this year.