Thread: Just As Long As It's Not Here..................

Originally Posted by motownbear

yup he helped construct a team that cant beat a real team lol

i can add more content but it probably just be easier to look back for my posts the past 5 years

I would but I don't want to overload the search function mo.

Originally Posted by Dagan81

Carimi has a lot of upside, but he also has a big downside as well, soul. Right now, we're seeing what he can be like at his very worst. Right now, he is at least as bad of an offensive tackle as Webb is, if not worse. I do hope and pray that there is a place along the offensive line where he can play and grow into a polished NFL offensive lineman, but if not, I guess we're back to drafting another offensive tackle in the next draft or two to replace him, particularly if he plays well at right guard.

Well when you're the 3rd worst OT in the NFL there really isn't a whole lot of downside unless your name is J'Marcus Webb, LOL. At least he's not the worst.

Hell Webb was the worst two years running at two different OT spots and at least he's elevated himself from that level (how far is anybodies guess) so there is hope. At least Carimi isn't a knucklehead like Webb is. There's a lot of pride in him. Too much to continue playing like he has. Remember, he was an Outland Trophy winner in college so he has a rep to live up to and I think that and his pride won't allow him to fail.

Webb is another story entirely.

Originally Posted by soulman

Well when you're the 3rd worst OT in the NFL there really isn't a whole lot of downside unless your name is J'Marcus Webb, LOL. At least he's not the worst.

Hell Webb was the worst two years running at two different OT spots and at least he's elevated himself from that level (how far is anybodies guess) so there is hope. At least Carimi isn't a knucklehead like Webb is. There's a lot of pride in him. Too much to continue playing like he has. Remember, he was an Outland Trophy winner in college so he has a rep to live up to and I think that and his pride won't allow him to fail.

Webb is another story entirely.

Carimi has had pride to the point of near arrogance, to be completely honest with you. In a way, his overabundance of pride has been his undoing, and I think now that he has experienced total and complete failure at performing his job save for run blocking, he now has learned some semblance of humility. In fact, I can remember in his interviews leading up to the '11 NFL Draft where he said he thought he was the best offensive lineman in the draft, bar none, thinking, "Son, you better be able to back those words up because there are going to be defensive ends and defensive tackles looking to make you eat those words."

Carimi has potential, but has he gotten his head out of his ass long enough to see that he's going to have to work for it and not simply expect it to come to him naturally? Only time will tell. Personally, I think he's going to be fine and that he's eaten a hearty slice of humble pie, as I said earlier.

I don't really see the arrogance you see Dags. I see a kid whose been humbled to the point of having lost his confidence and that's not good. IMO that comment he made before the draft was made from a standpoint of confidence and not arrogance and now that confidence is all but gone and he needs it back.

Maybe some success playing inside where he can use his short area blocking skills and his ability to block on the run will be good for him. Maybe we expected too much of him too fast this year as far as pass blocking goes. We'll see.

But we're getting off topic. This is about JA and not Carimi.

Originally Posted by soulman

I don't really see the arrogance you see Dags. I see a kid whose been humbled to the point of having lost his confidence and that's not good. IMO that comment he made before the draft was made from a standpoint of confidence and not arrogance and now that confidence is all but gone and he needs it back.

Maybe some success playing inside where he can use his short area blocking skills and his ability to block on the run will be good for him. Maybe we expected too much of him too fast this year as far as pass blocking goes. We'll see.

But we're getting off topic. This is about JA and not Carimi.

Read what I said again, soul. I said that prior to entering the NFL Draft in 2011, Carimi was not just confident, he was arrogant to the point where NFL Scouts and fellow peers alike found him to be nauseating. That's all I said, as well as saying that he's probably learned some humility as his short career in the NFL has progressed. In a rather big way, this year's struggles at right tackle may have been the best thing to ever happen to Carimi. While I don't want to see him struggle, I do want him to have a level enough head on his shoulder to realize that even the most polished college football players can struggle right off the bat with finding what will work for them becoming the most successful players possible in the NFL. If that takes eating a healthy piece of humble pie, then so be it.

Let's be clear, though, with one thing with me when it comes to the topic of Carimi: he's going to be fine.

Originally Posted by Dagan81

Read what I said again, soul. I said that prior to entering the NFL Draft in 2011, Carimi was not just confident, he was arrogant to the point where NFL Scouts and fellow peers alike found him to be nauseating. That's all I said, as well as saying that he's probably learned some humility as his short career in the NFL has progressed. In a rather big way, this year's struggles at right tackle may have been the best thing to ever happen to Carimi. While I don't want to see him struggle, I do want him to have a level enough head on his shoulder to realize that even the most polished college football players can struggle right off the bat with finding what will work for them becoming the most successful players possible in the NFL. If that takes eating a healthy piece of humble pie, then so be it.

Let's be clear, though, with one thing with me when it comes to the topic of Carimi: he's going to be fine.

I read what you wrote Dags and here it is;

Carimi has had pride to the point of near arrogance, to be completely honest with you. In a way, his overabundance of pride has been his undoing, and I think now that he has experienced total and complete failure at performing his job save for run blocking, he now has learned some semblance of humility. In fact, I can remember in his interviews leading up to the '11 NFL Draft where he said he thought he was the best offensive lineman in the draft, bar none, thinking,"Son, you better be able to back those words up because there are going to be defensive ends and defensive tackles looking to make you eat those words."

Where in that paragraph does it say one thing about what NFL Scouts or his fellow peers thought of him? Where? I'll tell you where. No.......where!

What it really says is what I've highlighted in red. You found him arrogant, not the NFL Scouts and not his fellow peers. Don't be projecting your feelings about him into others or tell me I misread you when I didn't.

That was all about what YOU think and my response was that I didn't see it that way even if you did. Here's what I wrote.

I don't really see the arrogance you see Dags. I see a kid whose been humbled to the point of having lost his confidence and that's not good. IMO that comment he made before the draft was made from a standpoint of confidence and not arrogance and now that confidence is all but gone and he needs it back.

So we disagree on many things starting with you not even knowing what you wrote but that's beside the point. We both agree that he'll be fine given some time to adjust to the pro game.

I may be old and my eyesight failing but it ain't that bad yet sonny and my grasp of the English language and reading comprehension skills are still OK. Alzheimer's is still out there trying to find me but I'm too quick for it so far.

Regarding Jerry Angelo. I've wondered many times, how the draft decisions actually occurred. How much input did Lovie have? Maybe very little. Maybe a lot. The end result was that there were too many misses, or situations where they got a mediocre player instead of one who could excel.

Under Jerry's watch, we never seemed to value the offense. The offense was the poor-stepchild of the team. And worse, when they DID try to draft offense, they didn't evaluate personnel well. They seemed incapable to consistently draft solid players.

I did like Jerry, and thought he was a decent man. I believe Jerry COULD be successful if:

1. He had rock solid personnel scouting people working for him.

2. He listened to them.

3. He resisted the urge to draft boutique players. Jerry liked physical stats, over people who had proven themselves to be solid football players. And example would be a fast guy who couldn't catch a football. Or the guy who could jump out of a swimming pool but couldn't play football, etc etc etc. These guys inevitably failed, and often were out of football after we cut them. Nobody wanted them.