Thread: Who's the next guy?

Getting lovie out isn't a good thing but he never gets the team as a whole//blame him and the draft but it is what it is//you can't win without a offense credit phil for upgrading the whole team//but years of dubious draft decisions left holes to fill//no qb that cost two ones and a third no line that got minimal attention//now a defense getting older and money issues//look at the ravens players step up to make plays//you see fire in the bear defense well they got most of the talent for years/the offense with jay and brandon but where is the rb play like the ravens got like 29 yards da bears couldn't get 1 yard so where is the fire if your ankle is hurt let a healthy guy play//breaking down at crucial times with false start calls//where is the fire desire//jeff fisher but that ship sailed

Let me pu my 2 cents in on this. Yes the O line play good and protected Cutler well. However it still can't open the holes needed for the RBs, but then it doesn't help it the OC calls the same damn running play time after time and it also doesn't help when Forte keeps trying to run throught holes that just aren't there. His best two runs yesterday were to the outside, so why didn't we keep running him that way, because of OC sucks. Second out TE couldn't catch fire let alone catch a football. We are just about out of WRs.

Originally Posted by bearsinhouston

Well, I keep coming up with the same question. Cutler has now had tow games with decent protection. Offensive production did not reflect that. The inference I would have to make from that is that the OL play was not the primary driver for the lousy play (as silly as that feels to be typing that when I saw how horrible they were, I can't logically come to any other conclusion).

So then what is the issue (issues actually)?

So JJ -- Gimme your bottom line take on it. Do you think the coaches are ok, or what exactly would you change if you could? I know the RBs are not getting open holes. To some degree, that is going to affect the passing game, but it's not like we don't try the run, so they still have to defend it. They can't just send everyone into the secondary. And we are not getting any production out of the passing game. I know right now we have two WRs that are down, but even with that we still seem not to be able to move the ball other than with Marshall.

So does that mean we just can't pick WR's? I know that Jeffrey seems to be able to catch the ball. Is it either they can come in catching, or forget about it - we can't develop anyone? Is it just the WR's or coaches too? I'm not real happy with Cutlers production when he has protection. The maddening part is that he can do stuff that very few others can do. He is really good at avoiding pressure, he can put the ball anywhere given time, but it is still not clicking.

And like you said -- the TE's. They couldn't catch AIDS in a Turkish bath house. So once again, is that the coaches? It is possible that we can't pick a SINGLE TE that can catch when we have so many?

I see all kinds of issues, but being a businessman, I say it always comes back to the guys calling the shots. If a player has potential, you need to have the people in place that can develop that potential. If they don't then you need to have people that can see that and move on. It seems that we are stuck in the middle with many that do not produce and they don't get better and they don't get replaced.

Originally Posted by JJ-30

Let me pu my 2 cents in on this. Yes the O line play good and protected Cutler well. However it still can't open the holes needed for the RBs, but then it doesn't help it the OC calls the same damn running play time after time and it also doesn't help when Forte keeps trying to run throught holes that just aren't there. His best two runs yesterday were to the outside, so why didn't we keep running him that way, because of OC sucks. Second out TE couldn't catch fire let alone catch a football. We are just about out of WRs.

I disagree,I think the Lovie Smith Bus has passed the stop.
The core of this defense is showing its age,with few accolades to show for it.
It's been one epic failure after another,I'm tired of all the smoke and mirrors.
Years of abject failure to 1)draft,2)evaluate players,3)develop players,4)coach fundamental football;
have come home to roost.
Even with the new additions,this team is still a paper tiger;all show,no go.
There are so many holes to fill on this team,it will take several years to repair the futility of the past.
The best thing I can say,is I have faith in the GM,to do the right thing.
Wish I could say the same for Lovie.
I don't know who the best answer would be,for a new HC,but I do know,it's time.

Originally Posted by JustAnotherBearsFan99

Personally, I have more questions than answers regarding this season. I'd like to see how the team and Lovie handles these next 4 games and the post season, before I make up my own mind. There ARE a lot of factors to consider, depending upon how the team finishes.

I will tell you what I don't want to happen. I don't want to see a knee jerk reaction where we equate "any new coach" with making us better. Don't kid yourself, we could get worse if the Bears don't get it right. A lot worse. Detroit worse.

I just want them to be thoughtful - and any resulting change should make us better, and not "change for the sake of change" to appease the fans.

I very strongly agree with both of these. I feel exactly the same way. I am waiting until I see the last four games develop before I decide how much should be trashed. I suspect Emery is doing the same.

And while I am not a big fan of Lovie, I do not want to replace him just to replace him. I think that unless we do our homework, we can get much worse. I would rather stay with Lovie than do that.

This off-season might be just as entertaining as the season has been.

Originally Posted by bearsinhouston

So JJ -- Gimme your bottom line take on it. Do you think the coaches are ok, or what exactly would you change if you could? I know the RBs are not getting open holes. To some degree, that is going to affect the passing game, but it's not like we don't try the run, so they still have to defend it. They can't just send everyone into the secondary. And we are not getting any production out of the passing game. I know right now we have two WRs that are down, but even with that we still seem not to be able to move the ball other than with Marshall. Ok, here what I think. First off Lovie and our DC are great defensive coaches, yes our D showed it age yesterday and that can't be fixed this year. Should we keep both of the next years my answer is YES. As for our Offense ok yes we have way to many weapons out and we need to get our WRs back on the field. But thats only some of our problems, our RBs can't get the holes they need to run throught, yes the O line is a problem, again can't be fixed this year, but some of may not agree, its not the biggest reason that our running game isn't working great. Tice has no idea what he is doing, if you run the same running play 5 times and get little or nothing out of it change the damn running play.

So does that mean we just can't pick WR's? I know that Jeffrey seems to be able to catch the ball. Is it either they can come in catching, or forget about it - we can't develop anyone? Is it just the WR's or coaches too? I'm not real happy with Cutlers production when he has protection. The maddening part is that he can do stuff that very few others can do. He is really good at avoiding pressure, he can put the ball anywhere given time, but it is still not clicking. I really think even if we had AJ and Bennett with Marshall and Forte all on the field it wouldn't help, Again its back to the play calling, even when the other team double teams Marshall he is the primary receiver, maybe it Cutler but I really feel its Tice. I will say this its hard for Cutler click with other WRs, because the only WR that has been in every game this year is Marshall.

And like you said -- the TE's. They couldn't catch AIDS in a Turkish bath house. So once again, is that the coaches? It is possible that we can't pick a SINGLE TE that can catch when we have so many? This time I am not going to blame Tice, I really feel that he felt that our TEs were miss used last year. He just felt that if they were used right they could do the job. Didn't work out so well.

I see all kinds of issues, but being a businessman, I say it always comes back to the guys calling the shots. If a player has potential, you need to have the people in place that can develop that potential. If they don't then you need to have people that can see that and move on. It seems that we are stuck in the middle with many that do not produce and they don't get better and they don't get replaced. Even before Lovie we have been very reluctant toput younger players on the field. And we will all agree JA didn't help with the draft picks he gave us. The 2 biggest problems with Lovie is he wants yes men around him or better put his old friends and the other thing he doesn't know a damn thing about how to build an Offense. That is why Emery needs to step in at the end of this years and get us a real OC

Just one mans opinion