Biggs: 10 thoughts after Bears' loss to Seahawks

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12-03-2012, 09:27 PM
Riczaj01

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Originally Posted by JustAnotherBearsFan99

We do have more pressing needs than adding 1 more above-average WR. I agree with that. But when we lose one of our top 2 WR's to injury, wouldn't it be helpful to have a bit more talent than Bennett to be our #2? I think Bennett is a solid guy to have on the roster as a possession receiver.

But in future seasons when B.Marsh or Alshon are injured, it would be nice to not have to use Bennett as a top 2 receiver. Granted (before folks flame me here :smile:) we're not going to be able to replace B.Marsh, or even Alshon with a comparable talent. But it sure would be nice to have someone better than Bennett.

Don't even get me going on Hester. If we want to keep him on ST's, that's fine. But I'd be fine if he never appeared on offense again. We can (and should) do better at WR than Hester. He just disappears in games until the inevitable dropped pass happens. I don't know (and really don't want to know) what "The Hester Package" was. I know it was not about being a solid NFL receiver. Just hot air and hype from Mike Tice. And if he's so fast, then why can't he get separation from defenders? I'm sure next training camp he'll look like Wes Welker-2 out there. And we'll hear the hype again about his greatness. Then he'll disappoint as always.

I put a ton of stock in what you say Jabf, but a lot of times you can let your personal bias, or take a few bad games and let it skew your thought process. I highly enjoy your posts, even when I don't agree w/them.
12-03-2012, 09:39 PM
bearsinhouston

Yeah. I know. But I was kind of thinking that the Hester package was something that would utilize his speed and open field elusiveness to score as a WR. In other words, that they were going to try to coach him up more to get better at those types of catches and/or devise plays where they could get the ball to him while he was running forward like on a return.

The Hester package has turned out to be the same as it was under Martz -- "We have no idea how to use this guy..."

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Originally Posted by Riczaj01

Hester is a threat w/his speed; if he could catch that type of pass, but he's not really good w/the over the shoulder/adjustment stuff so he's not a worry there. He's a good 10-15 yard guy though that will get a ton of yac
12-03-2012, 10:15 PM
JustAnotherBearsFan99

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Originally Posted by Riczaj01

I put a ton of stock in what you say Jabf, but a lot of times you can let your personal bias, or take a few bad games and let it skew your thought process. I highly enjoy your posts, even when I don't agree w/them.

That is true. And I do recognize that about myself. But it just must be how I'm wired. Also, it always takes me a few days to get over a loss. Regarding Hester, I was really hoping this would be his year to break out a bit as a WR. I thought this new role would be a better fit for him. I'm really just disappointed. Hester has been a real blessing to the Bears and seems like a class guy. He just frustrates me as a WR.
12-03-2012, 10:46 PM
bearsinhouston

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Originally Posted by JustAnotherBearsFan99

Regarding Hester, I was really hoping this would be his year to break ...

Well, he is injured. Does that qualify?
12-03-2012, 11:24 PM
Riczaj01

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Originally Posted by JustAnotherBearsFan99

That is true. And I do recognize that about myself. But it just must be how I'm wired. Also, it always takes me a few days to get over a loss. Regarding Hester, I was really hoping this would be his year to break out a bit as a WR. I thought this new role would be a better fit for him. I'm really just disappointed. Hester has been a real blessing to the Bears and seems like a class guy. He just frustrates me as a WR.

It's okay, we all do it. I have zero faith in Shea; and the reality is he's shown enough to be a solid player, no matter the draft position. My real issue is w/the thought process of Emery behind taking him(smartest guy in the room/ie Angelo style). if he had just came out and said we wanted to go younger and faster and he was the guy we thought fit that bill I would have not liked it a whole lot less.

I think if we had been able to keep Jeffery and Bennett healthy you would have seen more from him; while he was doing less. Again I look back to early in the year and he had that great TD grab and a really nice 3rd and long grab for a 1st; but then Forte got hurt, and Jeffery, and it catpulted how much he was needed and he showed his limitations. Remeber the reason they did this was b/c he wasn't able to do what he was doing on ST's b/c no one would kick to him; so they wanted to give him a chance on O; but those chances shouldn't be more then 3-4 times a game(ie punts/kr's); and that probably means 10-12 plays out of 60-70. If that happens he'll do us just fine until we have a chance to make a better move.
12-04-2012, 04:44 AM
XaosGorilla

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When you talk about needing to add help for the offense, it starts with the line. Emery didn’t draft a lineman this past year and he’s going to have to do it this April, a proposition made more difficult because the Bears are without their third-round draft pick. Lineman picks are rarely sexy, but would fans rejoice if the first two picks were used on offensive linemen?

YES!YES! YES!! HALLELUJAH, PRAISE THE LORD, AND PASS THE O-LINEMAN!!!! PLEASE draft a pair of o-lineman in the first 2 rounds of the draft next year!

Seriously, we need talent, competition, and depth across most of the o-line. Quite possibly in that order.
12-04-2012, 02:27 PM
MPBears68

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Originally Posted by JustAnotherBearsFan99

We do have more pressing needs than adding 1 more above-average WR. I agree with that. But when we lose one of our top 2 WR's to injury, wouldn't it be helpful to have a bit more talent than Bennett to be our #2? I think Bennett is a solid guy to have on the roster as a possession receiver.

But in future seasons when B.Marsh or Alshon are injured, it would be nice to not have to use Bennett as a top 2 receiver. Granted (before folks flame me here :smile:) we're not going to be able to replace B.Marsh, or even Alshon with a comparable talent. But it sure would be nice to have someone better than Bennett.

Don't even get me going on Hester. If we want to keep him on ST's, that's fine. But I'd be fine if he never appeared on offense again. We can (and should) do better at WR than Hester. He just disappears in games until the inevitable dropped pass happens. I don't know (and really don't want to know) what "The Hester Package" was. I know it was not about being a solid NFL receiver. Just hot air and hype from Mike Tice. And if he's so fast, then why can't he get separation from defenders? I'm sure next training camp he'll look like Wes Welker-2 out there. And we'll hear the hype again about his greatness. Then he'll disappoint as always.

I do strongly believe that Marshall, Jeffery, and Bennett are a damn good 1-2-3 trio. The latter two haven't put up the numbers they should have due largely to injuries and piss poor play calling/personnel mismanagement by Tice. Beyond that, the talent at WR drops off precipitously.

Ive said this before but I'll say again what Emery needs to strongly consider this offseason (despite it being unpopular). That is moving on from Hester. Especially if you can get a pick for him in trade. He's all but useless on O except in very select niche circumstances, the Bears seem unable to design plays that suit what receiver ability he might have, and his days as a game changing return man look pretty much over.

To me, OL and LB are more pressing draft needs, but I'd love to see a speedster Knox-type WR pick in the mid draft if possible. I doubt JK will be back and Hester has shown himself to be a non-factor on O and he's no longer young by NFL standards. Let's draft a new guy and work him in like so many other teams seem to do every year.
12-04-2012, 04:14 PM
JustAnotherBearsFan99

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Originally Posted by MPBears68

I do strongly believe that Marshall, Jeffery, and Bennett are a damn good 1-2-3 trio. The latter two haven't put up the numbers they should have due largely to injuries and piss poor play calling/personnel mismanagement by Tice. Beyond that, the talent at WR drops off precipitously.

Ive said this before but I'll say again what Emery needs to strongly consider this offseason (despite it being unpopular). That is moving on from Hester. Especially if you can get a pick for him in trade. He's all but useless on O except in very select niche circumstances, the Bears seem unable to design plays that suit what receiver ability he might have, and his days as a game changing return man look pretty much over.

To me, OL and LB are more pressing draft needs, but I'd love to see a speedster Knox-type WR pick in the mid draft if possible. I doubt JK will be back and Hester has shown himself to be a non-factor on O and he's no longer young by NFL standards. Let's draft a new guy and work him in like so many other teams seem to do every year.

That is how I see it too. Also, a rock solid receiving TE would boost this offense significantly. Right now we are as 1-dimensional as you can get. We pass to B.Marsh, and that's pretty much our passing offense. Can you imagine how much better this offense would be next year if:

1. The oline was more consistent in giving Cutler time to pass, AND

2. We actually used Alshon, Bennett, a stud TE and Forte to mix things up more on offense?

3. We had an oline who could open up holes to run through consistently for Forte/Bush?
12-04-2012, 04:25 PM
bearsinhouston

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Originally Posted by JustAnotherBearsFan99

Also, a rock solid receiving TE would boost this offense significantly.

Damn Tice. He got the memo to Emery wrong. Instead of asking for a rock-solid receiving TE, he asked for a receiving TE with rocks for hands. Where is spell-check when you need it?
12-04-2012, 05:27 PM
MPBears68

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Originally Posted by JustAnotherBearsFan99

That is how I see it too. Also, a rock solid receiving TE would boost this offense significantly. Right now we are as 1-dimensional as you can get. We pass to B.Marsh, and that's pretty much our passing offense. Can you imagine how much better this offense would be next year if:

1. The oline was more consistent in giving Cutler time to pass, AND

2. We actually used Alshon, Bennett, a stud TE and Forte to mix things up more on offense?

3. We had an oline who could open up holes to run through consistently for Forte/Bush?

Yes, that's true (who wouldn't love to have MORE weapons?) but I really don't see it happening. We aren't going to draft a guy high enough to make a difference as our top picks are already needed for other things and I doubt we would have enough cap space to buy a good TE in FA if we take care of the LT problem (which we all agree is the higher priority). Maybe...but I doubt we are going to be able to realistically upgrade the TE position all much this coming offseason.

I'm no cap space guru like Soulman is so I could be wrong. Looking at it now, I see Spencer, KDavis, Spaeth, and Campbell as "not likely to return". Lance Louis and Urlacher are probably going to be cheaper to re-sign now that they've both been injured. Cutler says he's willing to accept a "home team discount" himself in return for bringing in more talent. Hester....well, you know my feelings on why he should be strongly looked at as a "time to move on" situation. So, maybe we might have more cap space available then previously thought.

First priority in FA though has to be signing a high quality LT and that will definitely not be cheap.

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