Thread: What we learned

You know I think Bush have done based on how crap our Oline is. I'm not disapointed with him at all I'm disapointed in them not using him a bit more offen. I'd gladly see him and Forte in a Bears uniform aswell.
Fun thing isn't it, last week we tried to go 4&inches with Bush and that failed, now against Minny it was 3&1 I tink it was the pick 6 and I was just wondering after that have they forgotten about Forte? Against Seahawks I'd have taken the FG but here were we weren't in FG rage why not give the ball to Bush or Forte? Perhaps line them both up and then see if they can do something on their own. If it's Marshall Marshall Marshall Marshall run Marshall Marshall Marshall they'll INT us, but then again when Marshall is the only current weapon that works 100% it's hard not to throw the ball at him all the time.

Originally Posted by jackiejokeman

Tice is not an O.C.

Too much talent on this team to be in this shape despite the shitty OL.

BTW ... How do you play football ? Watch Tom Brady with an OL against Houston.

I wasn't going to post this, but since you brought it up Jackie I will.

As I watched that New England Patriot game against the Texans, it was so awesome to watch a "real" offensive line work.

Seriously.

Those holes opened up for running were big enough to drive a car through untouched. Forte would have easily ran for 200 yards a game behind an oline like that. The way they just blew open holes between the tackles would have had Bush running for another 100 yards - with ease - as the backup RB giving Forte breathers from his running up and down the field all night. Brady had all day to take apart the Houston defense with surgical precision (the announcers said it was like Brady was performing open-heart surgery). Yet, when we played this same Texan team, our offense was crushed, and scored 6 pitiful points (and Cutler was beaten up like a rag doll, concussed and left the game injured).

Cutler, Forte, B.Marsh, Alshon Jeffery would DOMINATE every week behind a rock solid oline. Teams in our division, like the Packers would be crushed every year and we would OWN the NFC-N annually. Like clockwork. And we'd start stocking our Halas Hall trophy case with Lombardi Trophies - just like New England does.

How can any GM not see how fundamentally important an offensive line is to a team - both the offense, and indirectly your defense?

An offensive line is the heart and soul of a great team. It always has been this way. As long as there has been the game of football, there has been the fundamental truth, that you build a great team by starting with the line play - and build a great team from there.

All we care about is how many DE's and Safeties we can draft. Then we wonder why our skill players on offense can't be great, even though we have Jay Cutler, Brandon Marshall, Matt Forte & a great new kid in Alshon Jeffery. How amazingly clueless can a team be? Fix the oline and you will prosper.

Originally Posted by JustAnotherBearsFan99

I wasn't going to post this, but since you brought it up Jackie I will.

As I watched that New England Patriot game against the Texans, it was so awesome to watch a "real" offensive line work.

Seriously.

Those holes opened up for running were big enough to drive a car through untouched. Forte would have easily ran for 200 yards a game behind an oline like that. The way they just blew open holes between the tackles would have had Bush running for another 100 yards - with ease - as the backup RB giving Forte breathers from his running up and down the field all night. Brady had all day to take apart the Houston defense with surgical precision (the announcers said it was like Brady was performing open-heart surgery). Yet, when we play this same Texan team, our offense was crushed, and scored 6 pitiful points (and Cutler was beaten up like a rag doll, concussed and left the game injured).

Cutler, Forte, B.Marsh, Alshon Jeffery would DOMINATE every week behind a rock solid oline. Teams in our division, like the Packers would be crushed every year and we would OWN the NFC-N annually. Like clockwork. And we'd start stocking our Halas Hall trophy case with Lombardi Trophies - just like New England does.

How can any GM not see how fundamentally important an offensive line is to a team - both the offense, and indirectly your defense?

An offensive line is the heart and soul of a great team. It always has been this way. As long as there has been the game of football, there has been the fundamental truth, that you build a great team by starting with the line play - and build a great team from there.

All we care about is how many DE's and Safeties we can draft. Then we wonder why our skill players on offense can't be great, even though we have Jay Cutler, Brandon Marshall, Matt Forte & a great new kid in Alshon Jeffery. How amazingly clueless can a team be? Fix the oline and you will prosper.

I think the lessons learned are:

!) Talent MATTERS- you can have the best "guru" in the world but if you don't have talent you don't have much.

2) Over-emphasis on one side of the ball. As we can see kicking the OL can down the road leaves quite a mess to the guy who has to clean it up. As we saw with old JA if he even put 40% the effort into the OL as he did the D line it wouldn't be such a train wreck.

3) Draft-FA only gets you so far and a juco approach is fine in a makeshift or window year but to be sustainable you must DRAFT OL into your system.

Originally Posted by short faced bear

I think the lessons learned are:

!) Talent MATTERS- you can have the best "guru" in the world but if you don't have talent you don't have much.

2) Over-emphasis on one side of the ball. As we can see kicking the OL can down the road leaves quite a mess to the guy who has to clean it up. As we saw with old JA if he even put 40% the effort into the OL as he did the D line it wouldn't be such a train wreck.

3) Draft-FA only gets you so far and a juco approach is fine in a makeshift or window year but to be sustainable you must DRAFT OL into your system.

Your post is right on. Thinking the Chicago Bears can win a Super Bowl without better talent, is delusional. Seriously delusional.

It's that old saying - it's like bringing a knife to a gun fight. You're dead. I blame Jerry Angelo. I know I have to let it go, and go on as a fan. But every time I look at what he has done to this team it makes me angry and sick inside.

Emery will eventually fix the Jerry Angelo mess. But it is a deep hole that Jerry dug for us. It's going to take another year or two to repair the damage fully.

Originally Posted by Riczaj01

I'll add that Lovie helped dig that hole too; he had a lot of say in who was brought in after the SB; and we haven't really been close since.

I don't doubt that, but we'll never know the inner-dynamics of the whole talent acquisition failure, during Jerry Angelo's tenure here. But the "personnel buck" stops with the general manager IMHO. The Chicago Bears franchise is a billion-dollar entity comprised of a number of people assigned full time, year round, to judge talent. They, like the coach, answer to the GM. The GM pulls the draft trigger.

Certainly, a coach should have SOME input regarding personnel. It is input only. The GM alone is ultimately responsible for the talent provided to the coaches.