Does it really matter who the head coach is the next few years?

The Bears are being vastly exposed, and their glaring holes are being made very obvious.

As we know the offensive line (despite playing better recently) is complete crap. We need at least two new linemen on our way to five new blockers. We have one great WR in Marshall, and maybe another good target in Jeffery. Another good WR would be nice. We need a TE because the ones we have might be worse than our problem with the OL. A fullback would be nice a well, though not overly necessary. At least not more than the other woes on the offensive line.

Then we have the defense who is showing their age. They are slowing down, and we need to start bring in guys who can step in when they start going down to injury. The line is looking great, but i think we lack depth (as we do everywhere else). We need a good MLB, and should start looking at some OLBs because Briggs is not getting any younger. Tillman and Jennings are doing good, but who at their replacements? If we lose one of the starters for the season can they be trusted to hold the fort the whole year as opposed to a game? Same with our safeties. They are playing well, but same question about their backups?

How long is it going to take this team to be able to compete with the packers who have no problem dealing with injury? Think it can all be fixed in a year? Two years? Three?

If the Bears miss the playoffs, Lovie likely gets axed, unless Virginia saves him. Who should be the next coach? Should they bring in a great coach to basically just be a place holder and caretaker til we can compete with the best FOR THE WHOLE SEASON? Likely have a few losing seasons the next few years.... keep that in mind. Or bring in an up and commer who wants to get his feet wet?

in the end, will it really matter who coaches the team while trying to rebuild the team?

Depends on how much of a say the HC has in personel and setting up the O/D scheme. This team is either on the verge of full rebuild, or already in it. I'd rather have a HC and his assistants having a say now then I would after Lovie and his crew have had a chance to get a few shots also.

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Originally Posted by The Benjamin

in the end, will it really matter who coaches the team while trying to rebuild the team?

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Absolutely without a doubt.

You want to have your long term leadership in place before you start bringing in people to fit a scheme that will not be in place. Unless you want to rebuild right after you rebuild.

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Originally Posted by bearsinhouston

Absolutely without a doubt.

You want to have your long term leadership in place before you start bringing in people to fit a scheme that will not be in place. Unless you want to rebuild right after you rebuild.

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What I mean is, after two or more consecutive losing seasons, Bear fans will be calling for the head of the new HC.

I dunno. Possible I guess. If they bring in someone with the capabilities of Tice, yeah, I think people have lost patience and want to see progress. If a HC comes in and the team starts actally helping players get better and we can see the team progressing, I think it will be fine. I think mediocrity and ineffectiveness will not be given a very long rope.

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Originally Posted by The Benjamin

What I mean is, after two or more consecutive losing seasons, Bear fans will be calling for the head of the new HC.

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Originally Posted by bearsinhouston

I dunno. Possible I guess. If they bring in someone with the capabilities of Tice, yeah, I think people have lost patience and want to see progress. If a HC comes in and the team starts actally helping players get better and we can see the team progressing, I think it will be fine. I think mediocrity and ineffectiveness will not be given a very long rope.

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Regardless of who they bring in to coach, if 2013 and 2014 are losing seasons, fans will be calling for his head on a platter.

If they bring in a new HC, we still have the problem of needing to upgrade key talent, especially on offense. We need an offensive line. Doesn't matter who the HC is, we still need to get the oline fixed. We have other needs on offense too - including an OC. It's critically important no matter who the HC is.

Yesterday the defense gave up 1 TD (the offense gave up the pick-6 and the other int put the ball on our 5 yard line......pretty much a pick-6 too, when facing Adrian P).

Our offense gave up 14 points, and scored 14. You're not going to win many games that way. The offense still needs work. Cutler, B.Marsh & Forte are great to build an offense around. But we do need the oline fixed, OC replaced & a receiving TE added this off season.

No matter who the HC is, he's going to need better talent.

I know we need an OL. We needed one last year too. If you knew how good Jeffrey was going to be and you knew how much better pressure our D would have this year over last year and I told you that with Jeffrey and Marshall brought in (remember the WR might have been the worst part of the team last year) that we would finish about the same again this year?

We should be better than last year even with the same OL. We are not. We tend to forget how bad things were before. We had a horrid WR corps. We were all saying that we needed to fix the WR and the OL. Well, the WR upgrade exceeded our expectations. Now we have too many drops and Cutler seems Mired (pun intended) in mediocrity also. With the usual OL problems we may not have gone into postseason, but we sure should have been doing better than we are now.

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Originally Posted by JustAnotherBearsFan99

If they bring in a new HC, we still have the problem of needing to upgrade key talent, especially on offense. We need an offensive line. Doesn't matter who the HC is, we still need to get the oline fixed. We have other needs on offense too - including an OC. It's critically important no matter who the HC is.

Yesterday the defense gave up 1 TD (the offense gave up the pick-6 and the other int put the ball on our 5 yard line......pretty much a pick-6 too, when facing Adrian P).

Our offense gave up 14 points, and scored 14. You're not going to win many games that way. The offense still needs work. Cutler, B.Marsh & Forte are great to build an offense around. But we do need the oline fixed, OC replaced & a receiving TE added this off season.

No matter who the HC is, he's going to need better talent.

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Lovie smith is now 19 and 38 against teams finishing w/a winning record in his tenure, in dec 0-6, and last two year I think I heard 2 and 9(I could be wrong w/that one(reported from the score).

I think it's just time to move on, it seems Lovie and the team need fresh starts. talent or no, he's not done a good enough job against even above average talent, let alone the top teams.

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Originally Posted by Riczaj01

Lovie smith is now 19 and 38 against teams finishing w/a winning record in his tenure, in dec 0-6, and last two year I think I heard 2 and 9(I could be wrong w/that one(reported from the score).

I think it's just time to move on, it seems Lovie and the team need fresh starts. talent or no, he's not done a good enough job against even above average talent, let alone the top teams.

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So do I. As far as I'm concerned Lovie signed his own death warrant when he insisted that he would allow rookie OC Tice to keep running the offense on game day instead of promoting the more experienced Bates into that role. The bottom line here is that no OC Lovie has hired has ever been able to make this offense work. None of them. Tice is just the last in a series of failed OCs and if you ask me no better than Terry Shea, the guy we started with when Lovie took over.

Until this year we may have attributed at least some of that to being short on talent but not this year. Injuries are no excuse either like it was last year. Other teams adjust for that and keep on winning. Lovie and his offensive coaching staff have run out of time. That glass is empty and so is the top of the hour glass. The sands of time have run out. It's time to make a change.

The Gods honest truth is that not only is Mike Tice not a very good OC the pure and simple fact is he's a terrible OC. In the five games we've lost the Bears have score exactly 54 points. Hell Seattle hung that much on the Cards on just one game. In addition to his doing almost nothing good in the way of building even a half way decent offense around his talent is the fact that the line play has gone from bad to worse to inexcusable at this level all in the space of a year.

Dropped passes, missed blocks, a star RB who seems to have lost his interest in playing hard, and a QB who throws too many picks are all just a part of this offensive mess. Let's add poor personnel, an over abundance of faith in certain players who never have or will get to the level they need to, and an offense that either doesn't believe in the concept of what they're being asked to play or they've simply lost their will to execute properly. All of that is still on the guy running the show and his boss who put him in that position to begin with and kept him there when he had another option.

It is time for a change. If we lose to GB at home next week and I'm the GM then both Tice and Lovie get fired and I ask Dave Toub to assume the HC spot for the last two games just to see how he and the team respond. I'd like to evaluate him as a potential successor to Lovie in hopes that we might keep Marinelli and most of the defensive staff around. At least he knows how to make adjustments and tighten the screws when needed.

This isn't gonna happen because it's not the Bears way of doing things and maybe that's the problem. Maybe it's time we began doing it differently and with Emery running the show I hope maybe it will change. Mike Tice has never been more than a mid level coach and despite his overall W/L record Lovie Smith is turning out to be much the same. He can't beat the better teams and he can't win "must win" games. You can't get to the show with him as the HC anymore than we could have with Kyle Orton at QB.

It's not gonna be a popular decision in some quarters and the Bears will burn some $$$ getting rid of him and Tice but it's become pretty clear that it's the right thing to do. This team has stalled out at "crunch time" again and I can't see anything happening that will change that. So even though I don't like the thought it's time to make a change. Lovie needs to go and Tice along with him. My patience with the status quo is gone and with it my faith in Lovie Smith.

We can only hope that Phil Emery, Ted Phillips and George McCaskey feel the same way.

The Ravens fired Cam Cameron and promoted their QB coach and if Lovie had any balls at all he'd have done the same two weeks ago. It should be done today.........but it won't and therein lies the problem and why I see the Bears winning just one of these last three games. I lost any hope of things changing when Lovie refused to reduce Tice's role and I think I've been proven right.