Thread: Does it really matter who the head coach is the next few years?

If they bring in a new HC, we still have the problem of needing to upgrade key talent, especially on offense. We need an offensive line. Doesn't matter who the HC is, we still need to get the oline fixed. We have other needs on offense too - including an OC. It's critically important no matter who the HC is.

Yesterday the defense gave up 1 TD (the offense gave up the pick-6 and the other int put the ball on our 5 yard line......pretty much a pick-6 too, when facing Adrian P).

Our offense gave up 14 points, and scored 14. You're not going to win many games that way. The offense still needs work. Cutler, B.Marsh & Forte are great to build an offense around. But we do need the oline fixed, OC replaced & a receiving TE added this off season.

No matter who the HC is, he's going to need better talent.

Originally Posted by Riczaj01

Lovie smith is now 19 and 38 against teams finishing w/a winning record in his tenure, in dec 0-6, and last two year I think I heard 2 and 9(I could be wrong w/that one(reported from the score).

I think it's just time to move on, it seems Lovie and the team need fresh starts. talent or no, he's not done a good enough job against even above average talent, let alone the top teams.

So do I. As far as I'm concerned Lovie signed his own death warrant when he insisted that he would allow rookie OC Tice to keep running the offense on game day instead of promoting the more experienced Bates into that role. The bottom line here is that no OC Lovie has hired has ever been able to make this offense work. None of them. Tice is just the last in a series of failed OCs and if you ask me no better than Terry Shea, the guy we started with when Lovie took over.

Until this year we may have attributed at least some of that to being short on talent but not this year. Injuries are no excuse either like it was last year. Other teams adjust for that and keep on winning. Lovie and his offensive coaching staff have run out of time. That glass is empty and so is the top of the hour glass. The sands of time have run out. It's time to make a change.

The Gods honest truth is that not only is Mike Tice not a very good OC the pure and simple fact is he's a terrible OC. In the five games we've lost the Bears have score exactly 54 points. Hell Seattle hung that much on the Cards on just one game. In addition to his doing almost nothing good in the way of building even a half way decent offense around his talent is the fact that the line play has gone from bad to worse to inexcusable at this level all in the space of a year.

Dropped passes, missed blocks, a star RB who seems to have lost his interest in playing hard, and a QB who throws too many picks are all just a part of this offensive mess. Let's add poor personnel, an over abundance of faith in certain players who never have or will get to the level they need to, and an offense that either doesn't believe in the concept of what they're being asked to play or they've simply lost their will to execute properly. All of that is still on the guy running the show and his boss who put him in that position to begin with and kept him there when he had another option.

It is time for a change. If we lose to GB at home next week and I'm the GM then both Tice and Lovie get fired and I ask Dave Toub to assume the HC spot for the last two games just to see how he and the team respond. I'd like to evaluate him as a potential successor to Lovie in hopes that we might keep Marinelli and most of the defensive staff around. At least he knows how to make adjustments and tighten the screws when needed.

This isn't gonna happen because it's not the Bears way of doing things and maybe that's the problem. Maybe it's time we began doing it differently and with Emery running the show I hope maybe it will change. Mike Tice has never been more than a mid level coach and despite his overall W/L record Lovie Smith is turning out to be much the same. He can't beat the better teams and he can't win "must win" games. You can't get to the show with him as the HC anymore than we could have with Kyle Orton at QB.

It's not gonna be a popular decision in some quarters and the Bears will burn some $$$ getting rid of him and Tice but it's become pretty clear that it's the right thing to do. This team has stalled out at "crunch time" again and I can't see anything happening that will change that. So even though I don't like the thought it's time to make a change. Lovie needs to go and Tice along with him. My patience with the status quo is gone and with it my faith in Lovie Smith.

We can only hope that Phil Emery, Ted Phillips and George McCaskey feel the same way.

The Ravens fired Cam Cameron and promoted their QB coach and if Lovie had any balls at all he'd have done the same two weeks ago. It should be done today.........but it won't and therein lies the problem and why I see the Bears winning just one of these last three games. I lost any hope of things changing when Lovie refused to reduce Tice's role and I think I've been proven right.