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Originally Posted by
The Benjamin 
I still say pass. Is he a good coach? Yes. Is he better than Lovie? Yes, he is one of the few active coaching candidates who are better than Lovie. But I still do not want him. He is a dirty coach, and I do not want the team I root for associated with a dirty coach.
I respect that.
Do not tell me he was not involved in the bounty gate scandal. He was the head coach, and the head coach knows everything that goes on with his team.
I agree. I would NEVER tell you that he was not involved. Even if he did not initiate it, you know damn well he knew about it and he turned his head, so he is just as guilty as the rest, even more so because of his position. But if we hold him to this level of responsibility, then we also have to apply the same level of responsibility to Lovie for what we see here.
If he comes here, the Bears will now be potential suspects for a bounty program, and I do not think this team needs that distraction. Let me compare this with a college coach for a minute. You know which ones I am talking about. The ones who break the rules and pay the players to go there. Do the coaches always know what is going on? Possibly no, but they are the ones most associated with it, and that stigma follows them their whole careers and the teams they go to are always going to be under suspicion.
Probably right, but after this, I would think he would keep his nose cleaner than everyone else as he knows it would be a lifetime suspension next.
And, yes, I know that just because he did it there, does not mean he will do it here...... but there will always be a question. Why? Because he has been guilty of such things in the past.
He is a coach that, while being an offensive minded coach, was in charge of dirty players. He had a hand in teaching said players to deliver dirty hits. Was he teaching them directly? No, that would be the DC. But again, he knew. He had no problem with it.
Yup, I agree.
Again, great coach, but I do not want a man coaching the Chicago Bears who will allow dirty play and shrug it off. In my mind, while the coaching talent is vastly different, he is no better than that asshat Schwartz up in Detroit
Well, I guess we all have to part company at some point.
I would take him in a second.
The Greatest form of revenge is MASSIVE success.
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4Da, I think Sean Payton would be an excellent choice to be the next HC of our Chicago Bears! However I don't think the organization has the balls to make the move if the opportunity arises. For some reason I think go 10-6 or 9-7 and keep Smith & company for another year, or we keep Smith & change OCs again. 
My feeling is that unless this team turns it around & not only makes the playoffs but does well in the playoffs, Smith & his entire staff (except maybe Toub) needs to go. I personally am tired of this team being between bad & above average.
Like someone on this board said before (It might've been you 4Da) very few coaches that don't win a SB in their first 8 years with a team win one later on. Could be because the team loses confidence or faith after hearing the same thing from the coach year after year. Could be he's an average coach. Could be most teams don't keep a coach that long especially with only one (correct me if I'm wrong) playoff apperance since 2006. IMHO the Chicago Bears should be competing for a SB & in the playoffs most every year & anything else is not acceptable.
I know we could do alot worse than Smith as our coach but we could do alot better as well. I know players have to execute (catch the ball, tackle, block, etc) but the truth is we get out coached most every week.
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I think he is either going to Dallas for N.O. because his family is in Dallas and his girflriend is in N.O.
I think the Bears shoudl go with Jay Gruden or Hue Jackson as coach/OC and Rivera as DC.
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My only concern w/Gruden is he destroyed TB b/c he never could decide on a qb; I'm not sure I want that back in Chicago.
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I'd be good with Payton or Gruden.
Hey Ric, who was the TB QB back then other than Brad Johnson?
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Gruden coachedd TB 02-08:
2002-03 Brad Johnson
2004 Greiese
2005 Chris Simms
2006 Bruce Gradkowski(Simms injured his spleen this year I believe)
2007-08 Jeff Garcia
This is just the starters, it's a lot worse when you look at the depth chart also.
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Originally Posted by
Riczaj01 Gruden coachedd TB 02-08:
2002-03 Brad Johnson
2004 Greiese
2005 Chris Simms
2006 Bruce Gradkowski(Simms injured his spleen this year I believe)
2007-08 Jeff Garcia
This is just the starters, it's a lot worse when you look at the depth chart also.
Thanks Ric. I have to say I can see why he had a hard time picking one of those guys over the other. All were just ok. I would say Garcia was probably the best but past his prime at the point in his career.
I remember in Oakland he took a journey man QB Rich Gannon & turned him into a pro bowler.
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Originally Posted by
Riczaj01 Gruden coachedd TB 02-08:
2002-03 Brad Johnson
2004 Greiese
2005 Chris Simms
2006 Bruce Gradkowski(Simms injured his spleen this year I believe)
2007-08 Jeff Garcia
This is just the starters, it's a lot worse when you look at the depth chart also.
God, that looks like us a few years back! I do remember all those guys now that you bring them up. I really thought Chris Simms was going to be his Dad, but I guess Griese couldn't duplicate his Pop either.
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I didn't realize he coached TB that long.
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Now look at all the qb roster over those years:
2002: Brad Johnson, Rob Johnson, Shaun King
2003: Brad Johnson, Shaun King, Tom Tupa(also the punter)
2004: Brian Griese, Brad Johnson, Chris Simms
2005: Chris Simms, Brad Johnson
2006: Chris Simms, Brad Gradnkowski, Luke McCown, Tim Rattay
2007: Jeff Garcia, Bruce Gradkowski, Luke McCown
2008: Jeff Garcia, Brian Greise, Josh Johnson, Luke McCown.
The guy is like the cheating husband, loves qb's, just not 1 qb.
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