Thread: How do we get the next franchise QB?

Originally Posted by Riczaj01

im not saying hes not tough, but again how u are hurt doesn't change that you were. I dont know how many games ar has been pulled from but i know cutler has at least 2 or 3 times as a bear w/concussion issues.

I was merely responded to someone bringing up ar, no stat sheet shows games pulled, merely games missed.

Im not advocating droppiing cutler, please stop acting like i am. Im saying having a young behind is even a better idea, and there is now discussion about if he is the long term answer(not my opinion) b/c of his innuroes AND his poor performances vs gb.

It does change things. You can't say concussions are a huge problem and he missed 8 games because of them when in reality he missed two from concussions and six from a broken thumb. My point was, he hasn't had chronic concussion problems. Guys like Justin Morneau of the Minnesota Twins is probably messed up for life. Cutler isn't like that. He didn't get the concussions from light contact. His concussion this year was from getting speared in the chin. His concussion against the Giants two years ago was during one of the worst halfs of football I have ever seen. Not only were guys rushing unstopped and hitting him before he could even turn around, but they were leveling him with hits equivalent to WWE finishing moves. ANY qb could have gotten concussion in those situations. I don't think concussions are something you can hold against his durability.

Jay needs to quit smoking

Originally Posted by blinddeafmute

I disagree, I think we have plenty of room to fill in a backup qb to mentor. I don't think CB or 4th WR are immediate needs and they both can be filled in with either signing practice squad guys or picked up in later rounds. Not to mention that a few of those will be filled up with a FA pickups.

Hey, I'm all for adding as much talent and depth as possible. Who wouldn't want that? It is a matter or priority though as picks and FA signings are not unlimited despite what some may believe. I'm pretty much ignoring the back half of the draft since "hitting" there is pretty much gravy, especially at QB (ask Arizona how Lindley worked out as a worthwhile draft pick). All for it, but just not counting on it. That does tend to limit one's wish list. For example,

We must sign a starter LT in FA this offseason if available. That's going to suck up pretty much all cap space with our own we need to take care of.
We don't have a 3rd this year. Just a 1 and a 2 in the front half of the draft. One of those 2 minimum must be used for OL and the other probably for LB (i.e., a SLB if Roach is taking over MLB next year).
Looking way ahead to 2014, we will need to think about Briggs, Pep, and Tillman replacements + another OL in the pipeline.

Doesn't leave a lot of wiggle room in there for a discretionary reserve QB selection. If it can be done, great, but I'm not counting on it. And we do desperately need a 4th receiving option beyond Marsh, Jeffery, and Bennett (be it a real TE or a speedy slot WR). This year showed that. We were inept in passing to anyone not named Brandon when either Jeffery or Bennett were out. Davis, Weems, and Hester blow chunks on offense and Knox will very likely not ever be back. We need someone big to work the seam and/or a speedster to be able to stretch the field and keep defenses honest.

Originally Posted by blinddeafmute

Not to mention this, if we draft a backup qb and mentor him, and he comes in a few games and produces, we all of the sudden have some major trade bait. It's how many teams pick up extra draft picks.

Honestly, I don't care if it's a late round pick (ala Flynn), but we need to draft someone and sit them behind cutler. I'm a firm believer that it's a winning strategy and all this hype about needing a vet qb that can step in and play is just horseshit. And Cambell proved that and cost us too much money to do it.

I'm all for it (in bold) if there's a suitable candidate. BACK HALF of the draft only. We have way bigger fish to fry with those 5 front-half picks the next two drafts. [Btw, Foles, Kaepernick, and RWilson were all front-half draft picks and Flynn is behind Wilson on the depth chart.]

And you do need a plausible #2 QB on the roster who can win you a game or two or three if necessary. 2011 proved that and JA lost his job in 'final straw' fashion by not attending to it.

Originally Posted by blinddeafmute

I agree, I don't think it will take that much to fix the oline. We don't need 5 probowlers, , then just one or two and some journeymen we need much better play designs (not this High school stuff we've seen this year) and we've got a better than average offense.

We part company there, bdf. That was the "Angelo-Tice strategy" and it failed miserably three years in a row with OLs 31st-32nd in the NFL. No thanks. We need 2 starters minimum + some depth. Right now we are flying on the fumes only.

Originally Posted by Riczaj01

Kirk Cousins was a 4th round pick also. You can grab quality qb play in the 3rd/4th rounds. I'd take Cousins or Flynn as the backups next year. Why pay quality cap money for a vet qb that has proven he cannot play in the nfl?

Backup QB is a more vital spot then partime backup DE or DB or 4th WR. Any of those guys can be gotten in the 5-7th rounds. If you grab 1-2 OL in FA, draft another in round 1 then grab a LB in round 2, why not grab a backup qb w/a ton of upside in round 3 or 4(I know we are missing ? Who are we really losing out on? We have WR's 1-3 wrapped up, we have rb's 1-3 wrapped up, We have backup quality OL wrapped up, just need 3 starters(will be gotten via FA also), DL is fine in starter/backup. MLB is needed, but lb's depth are fine, DB depth is fine.

I think backup qb is a higher priority then people want to give it b/c JC is here; but if he goes down a legit backup is very high on(imo) the priority list, and I'd trust a rookie over a vet(don't give me how unrelaible Haine was, he was a UDFA for a reason).

Ok, Ric, I have a deal for you. You can draft a QB you like in round 4 this year (since we don't have a 3rd) if:

You get me a FA starting LT
You draft me a starting-quality interior OL and a LB in the first two rounds and...
You find me another half-decent receiving option (TE or slot guy) from FA, draft, practice squad, the CFL, outer space, Lovie's rectum, wherever.

Then you get your Kirk Cousins ver 2.0

I don't want to start next season with another swiss cheese, horse-manure OL or hearing bullshit about how Kellen Davis "can do all the things the good TEs can" or crap about Devin Hester magically becoming "a receiver". Deal?