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How do we get the next franchise QB?
I've been wondering for a while on how we should get our next franchise QB(When Cutler retires as a Bear or choose to play for another team and we got a soild Oline) and I'd like to hear your opinion about it.
Do we draft one in the later rounds in this upcomming draft or in the 2014 draft and hope he can develop to a starting QB from Cutler?
Do we go out and trade us to a QB, like we did with Cutler?
Are we going to use a first round pick on one? And if we are going to use a pick are we gonna take what we can get at the first pick we have or do we trade up like the Redskins did this year.
Another option is to spy on the Packers and check out who they are planning to draft as their next franchise QB and steal him infront of them. They have been better with the QB picks that us.
I'm really impressed what Russel Wilson have done so far condersing he was a 3th round pick if I remember corret. Wilson looks like a rookie QB that can turn into a franchise QB I kinda hope the Bears are able to do the same.
Last edited by ZifanQ; 12-12-2012 at 11:47 AM.
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Barring injury, we aren't gonna need to draft a guy to fill that spot for another 6-7 years. At that point, whoever the new GM is will talk with Lovie about who we should draft.
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Interesting question. On Monday Jim Miller said he would not extend Cutler if he cannot stay on the field(obviously the OL is the reason he cannot, but still something to think about). He said why pay the kind of money you would have to dole out to Cutler, when he's not staying on the field, if you can draft a guy for a quarter of that and get similar results(pointing to this years rookie class). I don't know that I agree w/this theory if Lovie and his crew are still here, but if we have a new HC, a new OC, a new QB coach then I could see his point.
Then Yesterday Hub A said that when you look at Cutlers performance against GB, he's not sure he's the guy that can get you to, and win a SB. Now I won't put the losses on him; but his individucal performances have not been great either, many are sub par; and Woodson said himself that GB does not fear Cutler, that they know he will throw them the ball.
Neither on it's own is a very compelling argument, but when you put the 2 together, there might be a reason to be looking for a replacement sooner then later; reality is if Indy can let go of Manning there is no reason Chicago cannot let go of Cutler who has a small fraction of the resume.
There is also the fact that getting a young qb to develop is a better option then brining in yet another failed starting qb as a vet backup; but I think that also depends on who the HC/OC are; b/c if it's Lovie/Tice/Bates I don't know that I would trust them to develop a young qb properly.
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Well, I also getting a little jittery on Cutler but honestly nowhere near the point of thinking of not renewing him. He has the ability. He has not been playing well, and from what I have seen it is not all on the line or the dropped balls.
He played better earlier in his career. I don't know if it's the fact that he seems to kind of have carved out his own environment and is cozy (I think about that but don't really think that's it). I think it may be part of the general attitude with the team. I think a coaching flush might help Cutler also.
If we bring in a coach that we can visibly see has the team fired up and the players to where they don't drop the ball and can finally protect him (will take more than an attitude adjustment there - will also take a talent injection) and he still makes his mistakes then I think we consider it. But I think with all cylinders in motion, we have some room for the QB to still make some mistakes and win -- even against good teams. I think we have the framework for that type of talent.
As far as a QB for the future, I think we just have to either draft right or trade for a guy that is behind someone but has some talent and has been able to show it yet. Colin in SF is a perfect example. However the starter went down and now the cat is out of the bag on him. We need to get one before they get out there and have their value go up. Not easy to do and even harder to be sure of your decision. Getting a franchise QB is not easy or there would be 32 of them.
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It's threads like this that keep me away from this side of the house.
Originally Posted by
ZifanQ 
I've been wondering for a while on how we should get our next franchise QB and I'd like to hear your opinion about it.
2014? Stop wondering so much. The guy is only 29 years old. And you want to draft a "FRANCHISE" quarterback to replace him?
Put down The Madden.
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Riczaj01 Jim Miller said... why pay the kind of money you would have to dole out to Cutler, when he's not staying on the field, if you can draft a guy for a quarter of that and get similar results.
Similar... as in also not staying on the field?
Miller knows a lot about that.
You said it yourself, though. Cutler isn't the problem.
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Matts, I'm not saying I woudl dump him I'm not saying don't resign him; but I would not extend him early. I'm saying it's hardly as far fetched to start looking for the next qb as I would have said it was at the beggning of the year. Beggining of the year I thought it was an automatic that Cutler was getting extended, and you just draft a 2-4 rd qb to be his backup and hope he develops into trade bait. Now I think it's worth discussion, b/c those concusisons are worrisome and his GB performances are sub par.
In those two issues what part do you disagree with? You think a brand new top of the line OL are going to prevent him from getting hit, and hit hard? Just not the case, and w/the previous concussions that makes it that much easier for him to get one again. Do you really think that w/a brand new OL that his performances against GB are going to get better? They might, but he's not throwing picks solely b/c of the OL, he has had games against GB where he had time and still screwed the pooch.
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Originally Posted by
matsellah It's threads like this that keep me away from this side of the house.
2014? Stop wondering so much. The guy is only 29 years old. And you want to draft a "FRANCHISE" quarterback to replace him?
Put down The Madden.
Similar... as in also not staying on the field?
Miller knows a lot about that.
You said it yourself, though. Cutler isn't the problem.
I agree completely. Cutler, flaws and all, is NOT the problem. Neither is the lack of a young QB "in the pipeline" even remotely a major issue at this point. You can rent a vet to be a serviceable QB2 year in and year out. And I'm quite confident that Emery will do that adequately, in other words, better than JA's genius choices of Caleb Hanie & Todd Collins.
Look, Cutler has been utterly screwed since arriving here by a revolving door of suckass shitbag OCs, OLs, and WRs (pre-Emery). The latter issue has been greatly remedied (still a need a decent TE than can actually catch & a speedy slot guy to develop as a #4 WR) but the first 2 problems haven't yet. Emery needs to focus on those first and keeping the defense stocked second the next 2 offseasons. Finding a new starting QB is about 22nd on the grocery list for the immediate future.
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Originally Posted by
Riczaj01 Interesting question. On Monday Jim Miller said he would not extend Cutler if he cannot stay on the field(obviously the OL is the reason he cannot, but still something to think about). He said why pay the kind of money you would have to dole out to Cutler, when he's not staying on the field, if you can draft a guy for a quarter of that and get similar results(pointing to this years rookie class). I don't know that I agree w/this theory if Lovie and his crew are still here, but if we have a new HC, a new OC, a new QB coach then I could see his point.
Then Yesterday Hub A said that when you look at Cutlers performance against GB, he's not sure he's the guy that can get you to, and win a SB. Now I won't put the losses on him; but his individucal performances have not been great either, many are sub par; and Woodson said himself that GB does not fear Cutler, that they know he will throw them the ball.
Neither on it's own is a very compelling argument, but when you put the 2 together, there might be a reason to be looking for a replacement sooner then later; reality is if Indy can let go of Manning there is no reason Chicago cannot let go of Cutler who has a small fraction of the resume.
There is also the fact that getting a young qb to develop is a better option then brining in yet another failed starting qb as a vet backup; but I think that also depends on who the HC/OC are; b/c if it's Lovie/Tice/Bates I don't know that I would trust them to develop a young qb properly.
Nothing against Jim Miller, but this is "Exhibit-A" as to how some people are brain dead, but still walking around flapping their jaws with stupidity. Why are we always talking about treating the symptoms on this team instead of curing the disease? The disease is an offensive line that cannot protect ANY quarterback. Sure, we can let Cutler go, and sign a human-punching-bag "on the cheap" and that way we're not wasting money on Cutler who gets injured after being beaten half to death in games.
Think of how stupid that statement really is. Just put a "cheap guy" out there to sustain the beatings and concussions, instead of fixing the oline (which, by the way, is NOT that tough to fix).
WHAT IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE? He must be genetically related to Jerry Angelo.
Fix the oline and prosper. The run game will be stout. The passing game will evolve into something VERY special, with Cutler doing just fine. It seems so basic and simple. Yet, I read crap like this and wonder if the human race has lost its mind - or maybe I'm the insane one. Maybe I am.
FIX THE OLINE AND PROSPER.
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Originally Posted by
matsellah It's threads like this that keep me away from this side of the house.
2014? Stop wondering so much. The guy is only 29 years old. And you want to draft a "FRANCHISE" quarterback to replace him?
Put down The Madden.
Similar... as in also not staying on the field?
Miller knows a lot about that.
You said it yourself, though. Cutler isn't the problem.
Sure he is still young, but he is no Rogders, Brady, Manning. What I meant was draft a young QB in the furture and see how he'll develop. Cutler is getting beat up every week, he ain't gonna last as long as many other QB's imo. I'm not saying we should spend a 1-3 round picks in this draft nor the upcomming but lower than that and see what happens.
Perhaps I didn't make my self clear enough but I was looking into the furture because Cutler can't play for us the rest of his life so I was just asking on how we should get our next franchise QB when Cutler is no longer a Bear..
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Originally Posted by
Riczaj01 Neither on it's own is a very compelling argument, but when you put the 2 together, there might be a reason to be looking for a replacement sooner then later; reality is if Indy can let go of Manning there is no reason Chicago cannot let go of Cutler who has a small fraction of the resume.
sure, give us a 1st overall pick knowing that a guy like Luck will be in this draft and I let Cutler go.
reality tells us that we won't get a great pick and Cutler is here to stay and good enough. Give him a better OL and OC and he will be way better.
I say we have bigger holes this year to spend our 1st, 2nd & 4th than taking a QB that early. Other than that we can just try and go with a UDFA QB.
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