Thread: If There's Any Reason At All For A Coaching Change This Is It..............

Originally Posted by Riczaj01

It's been rumored he is taking a larger part in the passing game though. Whether it's true or not I don't know, but w/Cutler in there it wouldn't suprise me; hell it's why Bates was brought in to get the pass game going. The idea that he had nothing to do w/this offense is laughable.

Ric I'm not gonna debate this with you any longer. First of all you know nothing about what Bates accomplished here in Denver with Cutler and Marshall as the cornerstones of his passing attack other than what you've read someone else write. Once again you refer to a "rumor" from Hub Arkush who we all know is the King of Rumors and has no more inside info on the Bears than you or I yet he pretends otherwise. To most Bears fans he's a well known joke.

The only larger part I see is that Tice has finally called for some passes to the TEs and even though Spaeth made a nice TD grab a while back Kellen Davis continues to be a major fuck up so it hasn't done much good. And a larger part still doesn't mean it's the type of passing game Bates has run before or that the WRs being played are getting the job done and it won't until they stop playing Hester and Bennett can keep from losing half the season to injury every year.

You weren't here, you never watched even one game or ever saw them in person as I did. Jeremy Bates was the guy on the sidelines with the headset on, holding the play card and calling the plays into Cutler. Before Bates and "Shanny" put that passing combo together it didn't exist and Bates brought it back to life this year in Chicago. Marshall is having the best year of his career and if anyone else could play even half as well as he does or stay healthy maybe Cutler would be having a better year too. He can't throw the damn ball and catch it too.

And finally you persist in misquoting what I post and twist it to fit what you want to think not what I wrote. Here's exactly what I mean;

" The idea that he's had nothing to do w/this Offense is laughable."

I never posted this or even implied it. What I have said is that this is not Bates offense, it's Mike Tice and Lovie Smith's offense. I can easily see what Bates has contributed even if you can't. I even posted direct examples above so that you couldn't deny it but you seem to want to anyway because that's what fits your preconceived notions but not the facts.

Bates used TEs as pass receivers to exploit double coverage coverage on Marshall when teams played one deep at Safety. Tice does not. Bates nearly made an OROY out of Eddie Royal by using him to attack under and across soft zone coverage and the kid caught 91 passes his rookie year. Those shorter quicker throws kept Cutler from landing on his ass so much in 2008. Tice and Lovie continue to try to attack down field or with bubble screens to Hester which he seldom executes well or he can't get open, or he runs the wrong route or he drops passes that are well thrown yet they continue to start him over others.

If Bates was truly running that passing game his way Kellen Davis would be on the bench, Hester would only be returning kicks/punts and be a 4th or 5th option instead of starter and Sanz probably wouldn't have been inactive all year long since he would have been a great candidate to play the role Eddie Royal did in Denver and if not him than Weems may have gotten a shot. I won't comment of Bennett or Jeffery because both has missed significant amounts of time with injuries but I will say that there would have been no imaginary "Hester Package" and there is no way Hester would have been in front of Bennett on the depth chart. Those are all changes Bates would have made that Tice has not so it's still being run 70% to 80% Tice's way.

These are the things that I've posted. Not what you keep insisting that I have or implied. If you're gonna challenge me than either take the time to read and UNDERSTAND what I said and stop misquoting me or STFU about it!