Gruden was a 2nd year coach I believe, more maybe(first w/Oak then w/TB, he beat the team he built oddly enough). Was his first year in TB. But didn't the guy that replaced the Chin win in his first year?
Most retreads don't win a SB w/the next team. It's rarer then brining in a new guy. Gruden, Bellecheat and The Tuna are the only ones in the modern era that I can think of that did it. Most of your winning sb coaches are "new" hc's. But have had plenty of time in a Coordinator position.
if the guy has a good scheme, and is a good comunicator, and is smart enough to bring in legit help in the coordinator spots then I think he'll do fine, college pro or otherwise. The problem comes was the guy in college good b/c he recruited well and just has the best talent, or b/c he was actually a really good X's and O's guy.
The best head coaches are the ones who are perfectionists , and know how to drill it into their players . The ones who KNOW when their players are executing things well enough for it to work in games ( not just practice ) . That's the problem around here , with all the " well we're looking good in practice " BS . Cuz what looks "good enough" to them DURING practice , translates to crap on Sundays . They don't know what they're looking at . How much u wanna bet that if McCarthy was the HC of this team for a day , he'd take one look at them in practice and just be shaking his head in disgust .
Originally Posted by JustAnotherBearsFan99
I do know one thing - there are college teams , who go out and execute on O a helluva lot better than the Bears do . Oregon , Stanford , ND , Bama , Texas A & M etc .
And this hand-wringing , we seem to hear around here , about bringing in a new HC is just laughable . How much worse could it get . Not much .
There ARE better coaches out there - w/o a doubt .
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Sure. Or we can stay in our comfort zone. How's that been working for us?
Seriously, to do it right is going to mean some changes. I don't want to half-ass this. It needs to be well thought out and if they replace Loive, they need to be sure it's an upgrade. At some point, you have to stop worrying about stuff you have no control over. We all have a preferred outcome, but one only people that count are Emery and up. I know I can't pick up the phone and influence any of them, so worrying about what they will do is counterproductive. They WILL do something. Whatever they do, the choice is to accept and support it, or grumble about it while nothing can be affected anyway.
Whatever they do, I'll be behind it. Whether the team sees success will depend on what those moves are and who is executing them. All we can do is watch the movie.
Originally Posted by JustAnotherBearsFan99
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What I learned was that is doesn't hurt to have the refs as your secret Santa. I think the refs we the Packers secret Santa.
As true as that is (and I agree the officiating was very one-sided) it doesn't excuse the terrible holes the Bears have on the offensive side of the ball, both players and coaching staff. We aren't remotely in the same ballpark as elite teams are there.
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Cobb was not a receiver in High School. He was a QB. He rushed for around 800 yards and 13 TD's and passed for around 1,800 yards and 22 TD's with 2 INT's his Senior year. He also played CB. He passed for over 1,800 yards and 25 TD's his Junior year in HS. He was All State QB in TN his Junior and Senior years.
Originally Posted by The Benjamin
What did we learn? From what I can see not much that we didn't already know.
1) Lovie can't figure out how to beat the better teams and especially the Packers.
2) After 15 weeks of football we still don't have an offense that can execute simple plays effectively.
3) Matt Forte is both one of the best all around backs and worst short yardage backs in the NFL.
4) If there's any chance of killing a drive or a big play with a penalty we'll find a way to do it.
5) The offensive line is only consistent at being inconsistent.
6) There is not one other receiver on the entire team that Cutler trusts completely but Marshall.
7) Jay Cutler is not a pocket passer and when forced to play that way he will make numerous mistakes under pressure.
8) Devin Hester is still being misused and probably should be replaced at WR until someone figures out what to do with him.
9) We lost one hell of a good football player when Tim Jennings went down.
and 10) The Bears players and coaches are beat and this season is over. All that talk about the next two games and playoffs and trying harder is just another load of the same crap we've heard for weeks.
Oh, and one more.
11) Brandon Marshall is the only one man enough to tell it like it is. Kudos to you Brandon. If everyone else on the fuckin' team cared as much, played as hard, and gave as much effort as you do we'd be sailing into the playoffs right now at 11-3.
This team is a mess right now from top to bottom and the locker room interviews are what you'd expect to hear from losers, which is what they are right now. The outcome of games 15 and 16 mean absolutely nothing other than the fact that quite a few players and coaches will be playing for their jobs and that's all these two games mean. Even if we made the playoffs who would we beat scoring just 11 points per game against playoff caliber teams?
This season is over with and with it should be the careers of a few coaches and at least 8 or 10 players at least as far as their ever playing or coaching for the Bears again is concerned. It's pretty clear that Phil Emery has an even bigger job ahead of him this year than he did last year and he might just as well get a head start on it. The playoffs would just interfere with that anyway. Let it go.
I'm getting to that age where a lifetime warranty just doesn't mean as much to me anymore as an afternoon nap. Honey Badger Don't Care. Honey Badger Don't Give a Shit.
* I wish our players would stop mouthing off in the press the week before a game and do their talking on the field instead
* We'll be picking around 19th again.
* it's a disappointing end of season meltdown that is all too familiar
* we can beat up on rubbish teams because our defence is predicated towards forcing turnovers.
*we consistently lose to good teams because our offence is inept and predictable, we cant protect Cutler enough and we don't have the coach smarts
*I wish I hadn't drafted Jay Cutler in my Dynasty league this season.
How much worse could it get? Ask Detroit.
Originally Posted by Alf The Ref
i am fine with cleaning house and getting new coaches. My only point is that it isn't necessarily an easy ride. And my experience has been that the Bears usually bring in coaches worse than Lovie. But we still need to try anyway, and hope for the best.
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