Thread: Lovie, Cutler and the Green Bay Packers

Originally Posted by IHATETHEBEARS

I think this is wrong. I think he's 9-10 against the Packers actually.

I am counting the playoff game as well

All I am saying, is if people want to hold Lovie's feet to the fire because his record against Green Bay, you have to so the same with Cutler. His starts against our biggest rival are crap, and there is no way you can pin it all on coaching. If it was Grossman putting up stats like that people would be offering to drive him out of town because he cannot get the job done against Green Bay.

Is it just a coincidence Lovie's record took a deathblow the year Cutler came here? Likely, but the timing does make you wonder

Funny I remember people saying that about Rex and Orton to the JABF, what do we have w/these guys until all the pieces are in place. Again I don't look at cutler as the primary problem, he's not, but he IS a piece of the problem. I'm not saying drop him, he's still better then what we've had(although is that even a good comparision). Other qb's get sacked/hit more then Cutler but don't melt down in games(not talking about shoving someone) like him. He has at least 2 reliable weapons in Forte and Marshal, and a few decent ones in Jeffery/Bennett/Adams. And a few not so in Davis/Hester. But he misses open guys, he has games where his throws are all over the place. To act like he's NOT part of the problem is ignorning that he is also the MOST imporant guy on the field on O. when he has a bad game there is no one out there that will save him. He HAS to be better, and an OL/WR's/TE's/OC are not going to solve that if Cutler doesn't get his mechanics and decision making in line.


You're right Rog btw, not 20 int's, 20 TO's(techncally 18 and 19 w/fumbles) sorry if I rounded up. But in Today's NFL you cannot be a 1 for 1 TD to int guy, or anywhere close to that. Rogers had those type of numbers his rookie year; and after that no less then a 2 to 1 td to turn over ratio, hell one year he was over 4 to 1. That is what you need to be constantly in contention for teams in the NFL, not great one year, drop off the next, in another year out the next. Turn overs in a league that has made it so easy on the O are literally going to end the teams season early more often then not. It's one thing to have an off year or 2 but when it becomes a trend there is something else going on. And Cutler is well known for having his mechanics break down and for making poor decisions; Charles Woodson told you they just sit back and wait for him to throw them the ball...why do you think he said that? B/c it's true.

4DaBears, at some point you have to look at the guy on the field and how he performs, Is RGIII, or Russell Wilson surrounded top to bottom w/top end talent? How about AZ? How many elite players do they have for their QB to be bailed out by; and their qb's are getting killed. Wash/Sea having rookie qb's playing great. Oh but it's the OC then right? At some point you have to look at the play on the field and say; okay maybe it's him. Not it IS him, but maybe it is. How many playoffs has he gotten his teams to in Den and Chi? How many playoff game has he won? Wanna know the difference between him and Eli? Eli has found way to be on a team that won 2 sb's. Before he won his first, and even 2 after he won that one, he was on the hot seat, and NY wasn't sure he was the guy. And yet we should exanurate Cutler from any blame here? What is the real difference between Cutler and Romo(who is also constantly on the hot seat in Dallas? What the Dallas supposed great talent(people down here say it's over rated) Does he have some great OC that makes his life better; or a OL that doesn't have him running for his life?(no). And he's grilled constantly by the national media as having great talent, but prone to stupid mistakes. Same w/Cutler, he has great talent, but is prone to stupid mistakes.

You ask how many of his int's are on his WR's, well no one knows that but the coaches, wr's and himself. But we know that one yesterday was 100% on him, the coach said it, Hester said it, and Cutler said it. And that was really the game breaker wasn't it.

I'm stunned that somehow Cutler is untouchable after 1 season of playoff success. Again no one is saying he needs to be cut, traded or replaced, but at some point the guy has a MO, and it started in Den, where he had a great OL, a great set of WR's and a good Offensive minded HC to set him up. He was still prone to lose big div games(1-4 vs the chargers). And he was essentially a 1 for 1 td to turn over guy, and that was w/the all the help in Denver. So now you want me to say that all his issues are now only b/c of the OC, and WR's and OL; it's just not true.

I'm all for keeping Jay around for as long as possible, but I'm also understanding there is inherent risk there; that he might be more Romo/Flacco then Eli, and might never be as good as guys like Rogers, Schaub, Brees, Peyton even if he does have that potential. No one saying that Cutler has to improve is saying that the OL, OC, HC, or WR/TE's are an issue. No one is absolving them, but you cannot absolve Cutler either. He is the QB, He is the one getting paid like a franchise guy; and those guys take more blame and get more credit then they ever deserve. I'm willing to keep him around b/c if Eli can win 2 sb's then why not Cutler? They are very similar and turn over prone, but that means having a complete team around him, and having all the luck fall on the Bears throughout the season. So I'm also very aware that it might never happen.