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I am not pinning all the blame on him.. just pointing out that his arrival started the nose dive against them in the Lovie Smith era. Is he solely to blame? No. But he is a good chunk of it.
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when Cutty arrived, Rodgers became the starter and arrived in the NFL... Coincidence?
This is more about Rodgers becoming the Rodgers we now know than on Jay.
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In conclusion, I'm not absolving him either, and your conclusions may be right in the end. I just don't see the major problem at the QB spot, but I recognize and respect your theory that we cannot simply assume "Jay's good". Like Marshal said, everyone should be accountable and it's no different for Jay. I simply thought the tone of this thread was to once again defelect blame from a direction that I perceive as obvious, to yet another scape goat.
The major problem is not the QB spot, no one is saying that, but it IS a problem. HE has to play better.
And I disagree, I think the WRs in Dallas are HIGHLY over rated. Dez/Austin are no better then Jeffery/Bennet, both are very erractic even if they do have big play potential. Witten and Marshal are probably in the same class, and we still have better RB's.
No I'm not putting all the blame on their O and none of the D in Denver, but much like here in Chicago where the D has all the money and talent, and wins/losses are weighted more to them then the O(this year the notable exception). In Denver the O had all the money and talent, so it was on them to win games, not the D.
Please stop w/the pro bowl shit, he was(I believe the 3rd or 4th alternate). When's the last time you saw, Petyon/Brady/Big Ben in a pro bowl?
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FWIW, a solid Bears team does not need Cutler to be Peyton or Brady. Ric, I understand that you are not saying he has to be at that level either. We need a more balanced team. Kind of a "holistic" approach to the team. All of us understand (and I think agree) that there are fatal flaws to the offense that need to be fixed, from the OC to players. Once these critically important fatal flaws are corrected, then we will see Cutler's game improve enough for us to win against the best teams of the NFL. He will never be elite IMHO, but he doesn't have to be elite for the team to be successful. I'm fine with that.
All roads lead to the exact same place for me. Fix these fatal flaws on offense, and we'll be a solid team. But, yes, Cutler needs to step up his game too.
In fact, if the Bears retain Lovie, I think the team can still be much better, if we fix the fatal flaws on offense (this includes getting a solid offensive coordinator). I'm not advocating we keep Lovie, but just saying we can still be decent if the OTHER issues are fixed.
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Of course. Any issues that are fixed can only help make you better.
Originally Posted by
JustAnotherBearsFan99 FWIW, a solid Bears team does not need Cutler to be Peyton or Brady. Ric, I understand that you are not saying he has to be at that level either. We need a more balanced team. Kind of a "holistic" approach to the team. All of us understand (and I think agree) that there are fatal flaws to the offense that need to be fixed, from the OC to players. Once these critically important fatal flaws are corrected, then we will see Cutler's game improve enough for us to win against the best teams of the NFL. He will never be elite IMHO, but he doesn't have to be elite for the team to be successful. I'm fine with that.
All roads lead to the exact same place for me. Fix these fatal flaws on offense, and we'll be a solid team. But, yes, Cutler needs to step up his game too.
In fact, if the Bears retain Lovie, I think the team can still be much better, if we fix the fatal flaws on offense (this includes getting a solid offensive coordinator). I'm not advocating we keep Lovie, but just saying we can still be decent if the OTHER issues are fixed.
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Originally Posted by
JustAnotherBearsFan99 In fact, if the Bears retain Lovie, I think the team can still be much better, if we fix the fatal flaws on offense (this includes getting a solid offensive coordinator). I'm not advocating we keep Lovie, but just saying we can still be decent if the OTHER issues are fixed.
I understand what you're saying, but Emery is really in a hard spot. Here's how I see it
1. Whether Lovie stays or goes, it is on Emery.
2. If Lovie stays, and Emery let's him select a new OC that is something Lovie has never done successfully, it is on Emery.
3. If Lovie stays, and Emery steps in and brings in an OC to right the ship, it is on Emery.
Right now, it's on Lovie, but everything after two weeks from now it's on Emery. That's why I think Lovie is gone, and Emery is making a change and getting on with the inevitable. This is Phil's team now, and the sooner he takes control the better for him.
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Originally Posted by
bearsinhouston Of course. Any issues that are fixed can only help make you better.
It's a "holistic" approach. We've been on a kick of massing our resources primarily in the defense. We've failed to have anyone on the team who truly understands HOW to build a solid offense. Our OC's have been bad IMHO. Real bad. Then we've fed the offense some poor talent. The result is that the defense, overall, as been decent. The offense has been our Achilles heal.
When we focus too much on one player, Cutler, then I don't think we see the forest for the trees. Cutler will be fine if we fix the glaring problems on offense (OC, oline, TE's and add 1 more decent receiver to take Hester's place).
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Originally Posted by
Rakk I understand what you're saying, but Emery is really in a hard spot. Here's how I see it
1. Whether Lovie stays or goes, it is on Emery.
2. If Lovie stays, and Emery let's him select a new OC that is something Lovie has never done successfully, it is on Emery.
3. If Lovie stays, and Emery steps in an brings in an OC to right the ship, it is on Emery.
Right now, it's on Lovie, but everything after two weeks from now it's on Emery. That's why I think Lovie is gone, and Emery is making a change and getting on with the inevitable. This is Phil's team now, and the sooner he takes control the better for him.
I agree with all of that. I think Lovie is gone unless he pulls out a miracle finish.
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Originally Posted by
JustAnotherBearsFan99 I agree with all of that. I think Lovie is gone unless he pulls out a miracle finish.
That's it in a nutshell. Is two more wins against weak opponents a miracle finish? Is there some chance that Emery might see it that way? That's what worries me, but I have no control over it, so just watching to see what happens.
As they say... What will be... will be...
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Originally Posted by
JustAnotherBearsFan99 I agree with all of that. I think Lovie is gone unless he pulls out a miracle finish.
Let's just hope he's not replaced by the Hoodied Mini-Me mentioned elsewhere here.
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