Well, Lovie says he wants to play "offensive" football, and that he has...
Originally Posted by inchibearfan
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I have been thinking about this lately, and I think the Packers are very much like the Patriots in that they each are the perfect situation which couldn't work anywhere else. First off, Belichick coached at Cleveland before and sucked. Now he is suddenly the best coach ever? It seems strange.
Originally Posted by Henry Burris
Tom Brady is one of the best QB's ever. Sure, you could argue he could make any system look good. However, maybe the system has more to do with it than Brady. Look at what Matt Cassel did in 2008, then remember that he is terrible now. This is very much like the Packers. Remember when Matt Flynn stepped in and was lights out the last few years. Many people thought he was the next great QB. As it turns out, he's probably not that good and he couldn't even beat out a rookie in Seattle.
Now, this perfect Patriot system lead other teams to want part, taking coaches (Weiss to Notre Dame, Crennell to Cleveland, Pioli to KC, McDaniels to Denver). However, in each instance, the former Patriot genius has been a miserable failure. Meanwhile, the Patriots have changed OCs numerous times and haven't missed a beat.
Something tells me the Packers are like the Pats. Something's in the water. Perfect situation for all, yet if somehow all were put together in a different time on a different team, they would fail. I'd rather not see Clements come here, fail, then return to GB to resume control of a record-setting offense.
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Have you watched the NFLN program about the year the Browns were sold? Over the previous few years, Belichek had put together a very good team. Had the franchise not been sold it was likely that the Browns would have gone to the Super Bowl that year. Baltimore DID go to the Super Bowl just a few years later with largely the same players that came in from Cleveland. While Belichek did cheat, he is also a very good HC.
"Professional Armchair Quarterback" and other oxymora.....
Only two of McCarthy's assistants have gone to HC positions during his tenure at GB. Jeff Jagodzinski, OC, went on to Boston College 2007-08 and did well. Eventually he returned to the NFL with Tampa Bay, but fell out of favor with Raheem Morris, and is now out of the NFL. Philbin is the other, former OC with the Pack, and in his rookie season with Miami so too early to tell.
Clements has a good resume, and a measure of success of the Packers O could be attribute to his work with their quarterbacks. But, remember, McCarthy is very much involved with GB's offense, much like Lovie is with his D. So how HC ready is Clements really?
I would rather see him come here as OC.
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I haven't seen it, no. But it looked interesting. And the Browns weren't sold, they just moved. I had read that Cleveland fans had turned on him, even before the disasterous 1995 season. I do remember the preseason hype, though, how they were talked about as the team to beat. Either way, he wasn't though to be a genius back then.
Originally Posted by XaosGorilla
Folks are talking about GB and NE in this thread. Any guess as to the common denominator in those two teams success? A coach that adapts schemes and playcalling to the talent he has to work with, on the fly. Both franchises have had lots of injuries and turnover, several coaching changes (assts.) and have evolved with the game.
Lovie doesn't adapt, he stubbornly sticks to his principles, whether he has the personnel to be successful or not. Truth is that almost every player that makes it to the NFL has a skill set that gives them the chance to succeed, if given the opportunity and the right system. Why is it that the Patriots, and the Packers, can be successful with 3rd string personnel on a regular basis?
They adapt the scheme and playcalling to the strengths of the players on the field.
We need a coach that will be humble enough to change, is smart enough to identify each player's talents, and has the guts to pull the trigger. I don't know if Clements is that guy or not, but he's been on teams throughout his career that have displayed those qualities.
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Of all the names thrown around for Lovie's replacement, THIS guy seems like a nice fit for us. He is a winner.
Originally Posted by BearStuff
Trestman - Kromer - Tucker - DeCamillis
I'm looking forward to seeing these guys coach. Hope they're good.
Would you guys like to see Tom Clements as our new HC?
I would love to see him at least as a canidate.
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especially since we dont know what the budget will be to get a ne HC. If they eat Lovie's 6 mil next year how high are they willing to go?
Originally Posted by Riczaj01