-
Originally Posted by
Riczaj01 
Xaos, 1 thanks for hte compliment. One of the reasons I only post here is b/c of the great postesr like Benj/Soul/Loki/etc, and it's been nice to see new posters like you MP/and JABF show up and be active.
It's just a difference in philosphy. And I'm okay w/people not agreeing, that's what allows for the conversation.
I'd just rather spend cap money on a guy that can play and play well(FA OL'men/TE's) then on a backup qb who's proven he cannot play(ecspeically w/how young the OL already is). For me in FA you grab 2 OL men, and then draft your MLB round 1, OG/TE round 2. and then if it's a OG, then in round 4 decide if in FA or the later rounds if its easier to find a quality TE or QB(imo it's TE). then draft the other in round 4. 5-7 get depth at WR/DB/DL/OL.
I agree. I like this board for the same reasons. There are some really good posters here and even when views are different, no one attacks anyone.
-
-
Originally Posted by
Riczaj01 I have been listening MP, you keep saying that the #2 qb isn't as imporant compared to #4WR/#1TE/ and 2 starting OL's. But reality is that you need a #2 backup, where are you getting him from? Campbell is gone, Blanchard is gone(neither are good). I gave you the list of vet FA's....w/the limited cap space you have you really want one of them on your team; if so name him. You have to grab 2 OL in FA also, at least one of which has to be a T. If there is cap left over and if you can spend money on a bad qb, why not take get a good TE instead; the prices will be silimar depending on how high you look.
If not that means come draft time you've taken 2 OL in FA no Qb/Te. That means you need LB/TE/#4WR/OL depth/#2 QB.
In the first 2 rounds you you can take care of the LB/OL or TE. In rounds 5-UDFA you can take care of the WR/OL. That leaves the 4th round to get your backup QB or your TE. Which one do you choose? It also means come udfa or FA period you need to pick up the other. I'm sorry I would rather have a really good #2 qb for Cutler then a TE; Cutler has missed at least 1 game the last 3 years and a handfull of qtr's also. I want my backup to be quality and capable of winning a game, and you just don't get that from retred vet qb's. But I can get servicable TE's via FA.
What I haven't heard you say MP is what you want to do in FA and what you want in the draft. What I haven't heard you say is where is the backup qb coming from b/c after the season is over we don't have one; and yes it is a requirement for any NFL team to have.
Actually, I've stated it many times. I'll do it again. Look, a lot of this depends on how much cap money we have to spend in FA. And a lot of that depends upon who we decide to cut loose and who we decide to re-up and for how much. I'm making a rough assumption that we will will have significantly less "free cap space" for new acquisitions than last year. If I'm wrong, I'd love to be wrong on the low side. I hope I am. Off the top of my head...
Our FAs I'd cut loose: Spencer, Rachal, Campbell, +/- Roach
Our FAs I'd like to keep: Melton, Louis, Urlacher, Collins
Our non-FAs I'd ditch (add to cap space): Spaeth, KDavis, Hester or Weems (keep only one)
Players I'd like relegated to reserve roles vs possible cut: Webb v Scott, EWill v Garza, Moore v McMannis (keep one of each pair)
FA acquisitions: LT, TE, QB2, OL reserve (depending upon $ concerns with LT being by far the biggest priority)
Draft: 1st-Barrett Jones (OC/OG), 2nd-bpa LB, 3rd-no pick, 4th-WR/Knox replacement, 5th & 6th-bpa X 2, 7th-no pick
I agree with you theoretically that I'd love to draft a Kirk Cousins ver 2.0 if possible. I'd also love to draft a T.Y. Hilton ver 2.0 too even more. And we need a COMPETENT TE too. Above all else, we have to get some talent on this OL, the left 3/5 ths is a disaster and that is probably being generous assuming that Carimi gets his act together and Louis comes back strong after injuries.
All I'm saying is that I want the OL substantially upgraded, a young LB added to the mix, and another competent receiver on the roster...then drafting a QB makes a lot more sense to me.
Appreciate the vigorous debate.
-
High Fives / Like - 2 BEAR DOWN!, 0 Dislikes
-
Originally Posted by
bearsinhouston I agree. I like this board for the same reasons. There are some really good posters here and even when views are different, no one attacks anyone.
We are all just fanatical Bears fans pissed off by yet another blown season and talking shit to each other lol. I'm sure we all respect each other's opinions and passions even when we have a "hot debate". We all just want to win and put together a great team and organization that is a perennial SB contender year after year. We are all sick of "falling short" I'm sure.
-
yeah.. waddya gonna do? We will all know which direction the wind blows soon enough...
And most of us even if we may not like it, will rally behind it and eternal hope will spring once more..... Cue crickets...
Originally Posted by
MPBears68 We are all just fanatical Bears fans pissed off by yet another blown season and talking shit to each other lol. I'm sure we all respect each other's opinions and passions even when we have a "hot debate". We all just want to win and put together a great team and organization that is a perennial SB contender year after year. We are all sick of "falling short" I'm sure.
-
Originally Posted by
MPBears68 We are all just fanatical Bears fans pissed off by yet another blown season and talking shit to each other lol. I'm sure we all respect each other's opinions and passions even when we have a "hot debate". We all just want to win and put together a great team and organization that is a perennial SB contender year after year. We are all sick of "falling short" I'm sure.
I was freshman in college when the Bears won the SB. My oldest is now 19, and I've raised all our kids Bears fans (God bless their souls!). I just want my kids to know that feeling before they're too old to have the pure joy of it all. I remember watching Bears games as a kid, and my dad would get all excited when we got a first down, or *GASP* score. Now my kids are watching me do the same thing! I've become my dad!
-
Originally Posted by
MPBears68 Actually, I've stated it many times. I'll do it again. Look, a lot of this depends on how much cap money we have to spend in FA. And a lot of that depends upon who we decide to cut loose and who we decide to re-up and for how much. I'm making a rough assumption that we will will have significantly less "free cap space" for new acquisitions than last year. If I'm wrong, I'd love to be wrong on the low side. I hope I am. Off the top of my head...
Our FAs I'd cut loose: Spencer, Rachal, Campbell, +/- Roach
Our FAs I'd like to keep: Melton, Louis, Urlacher, Collins
Our non-FAs I'd ditch (add to cap space): Spaeth, KDavis, Hester or Weems (keep only one)
Players I'd like relegated to reserve roles vs possible cut: Webb v Scott, EWill v Garza, Moore v McMannis (keep one of each pair)
FA acquisitions: LT, TE, QB2, OL reserve (depending upon $ concerns with LT being by far the biggest priority)
Draft: 1st-Barrett Jones (OC/OG), 2nd-bpa LB, 3rd-no pick, 4th-WR/Knox replacement, 5th & 6th-bpa X 2, 7th-no pick
I agree with you theoretically that I'd love to draft a Kirk Cousins ver 2.0 if possible. I'd also love to draft a T.Y. Hilton ver 2.0 too even more. And we need a COMPETENT TE too. Above all else, we have to get some talent on this OL, the left 3/5 ths is a disaster and that is probably being generous assuming that Carimi gets his act together and Louis comes back strong after injuries.
All I'm saying is that I want the OL substantially upgraded, a young LB added to the mix, and another competent receiver on the roster...then drafting a QB makes a lot more sense to me.
Appreciate the vigorous debate.
It's cool MP, It's all for fun regardless b/c neither of us have a say. But w/cap space being a premium I would rather take the OG in FA, average salary for a OG is 1.2 mil or TE who's average salary is 850K, then a #2 qb, who's average salary is 1.6. Not to mention that Both the OG/Te will be upgrades and capable of playing well, where the QB who costs more will have proven to have sucked everywhere else.
The WR again can be gotten in 5-7 round w/ease, there is no reason to push that position 1-4, again go look at the talent at WR that is being drafted in the late rounds /UDFA's...and that was only a small sampling, these are not just depth guys.
all in fun. I'm off to bed, some lady rammed my car, apparently she didn't see everyone stopping....and didn't. I'm still feeling it. Talks later.
-
Originally Posted by
Riczaj01 It's cool MP, It's all for fun regardless b/c neither of us have a say. But w/cap space being a premium I would rather take the OG in FA, average salary for a OG is 1.2 mil or TE who's average salary is 850K, then a #2 qb, who's average salary is 1.6. Not to mention that Both the OG/Te will be upgrades and capable of playing well, where the QB who costs more will have proven to have sucked everywhere else.
The WR again can be gotten in 5-7 round w/ease, there is no reason to push that position 1-4, again go look at the talent at WR that is being drafted in the late rounds /UDFA's...and that was only a small sampling, these are not just depth guys.
all in fun. I'm off to bed, some lady rammed my car, apparently she didn't see everyone stopping....and didn't. I'm still feeling it. Talks later.
Hope you're OK, Ric, and sorry about the car accident.
Yeah, stuff like TE and OG are cheap on a relative scale in FA compared to LT. I just don't see any other way to get a starting quality LT upgrade and this is the year to do it since likely there will be some available. Otherwise, we are stuck with Webb at LT and he's as good now (not saying much) as he's going to get. He doesn't still have "growth and upside" like players such as Jeffery, Carimi, and Shea potentially have. He's at his ceiling, and its pretty low. If we didn't need an LT this would be a heck of a lot easier.
-
Originally Posted by
Rakk I was freshman in college when the Bears won the SB. My oldest is now 19, and I've raised all our kids Bears fans (God bless their souls!). I just want my kids to know that feeling before they're too old to have the pure joy of it all. I remember watching Bears games as a kid, and my dad would get all excited when we got a first down, or *GASP* score. Now my kids are watching me do the same thing! I've become my dad!
LOL. I'm tired of feeling (all too often correctly) that the game is over and lost if we fall behind 13-3 in the 2nd quarter. There's something really sick and wrong about that.
-
High Fives / Like - 1 BEAR DOWN!, 0 Dislikes
-
Originally Posted by
Riczaj01 Sadly Loki, he's the most talented of the FA crops; if he's let go by NYJ's, and what people aren't realizing. The FA crop is as bad as it's ever been.
Raak, he's had 1 year; and the team was not going to allow him to go youth after the Haine debacle(which wasn't about youth but poor qb talent).
The Vet qb was nothing but a PR stunt, and it worked until campbell had to take the field. We really don't know what he's going to do; but if he is building the team for the future and building depth; the worst thing he can do is bring in another vet qb that is going to be WAY over priced.
No it wasn't and it wouldn't have made any difference if Tom Brady was backing Cutler up if he was as poorly prepared as Campbell was to take the field. If you expect your backup to play well it helps if you give him enough practice time to prepare. We didn't and you saw the results. That's on Tice not Emery. Shoot Tom Brady would look just as bad as Cutler has been some games if he was the starter.
There is no developmental QB even on the team right now so in your expert opinion Ric just who do you suggest we use to backup Cutler next year if NOT a vet from somewhere. Cutler has yet to make it through a season without missing time. Are you planning on drafting someone or signing an UDFA and making him #2? Tell me you plan for this. I'm all ears.
Do you even think through these posts before you make them? There's no logic in half of this at all.
I'm getting to that age where a lifetime warranty just doesn't mean as much to me anymore as an afternoon nap. 
Honey Badger Don't Care. Honey Badger Don't Give a Shit.
-
You draft/develop one Soul. Cassell in NE, not a vet backup, Yates in Hou last year, not a vet backup, Kirk Cousins, not a vet backup, Name the vet backup behind Brady, Manning, Brees, Rogers? Only Big ben and Eli(out of the top qb's) have vet backups...and how well did Byron play this year when Big Ben when down?
Vet backups are guys that proved to not be good enough to start; and yet you want to pay them MORE money to have a lower ceiling and a potentiallly lower basement then a qb coming out of the draft in the 3-5 rounds. There is no logic there Soul; it's a stupid waste of cap space. Your half logic thing is as laughable as how you said that McCarthy is still in full control of the O in GB, but somehow Shannahan in Den gave full control of his O to a 1st year OC in Bates.....that's half logic and laughable.
LinkBack URL
About LinkBacks
Rakk say BEAR DOWN!
Reply With Quote