Who should be our backup QB's next year?

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Originally Posted by Riczaj01

why is it that qb is a wasted draft pick(in the 4th), but an OL/TE in the fourth isn't? Think a OG/T in the 4th is really going to be good enough to start over Louis/Carimi? No way you are getting a tackle in the 4th that can start week 1, but not in the 1st or 2nd? You have to assume that the T/LB are going 1, 2. Proved in the other thread that WR 3-4 can be gotten 5-7th/UDFA. So in FA why not go starting T or G and TE which are all capable of starting and are cheaper then a vet qb?
That leaves you at T: FA/Rookie/Carimi/Scott. G's/C's Louis/Carimi/Brown/EWilliams/Garza. That's 8 linemen on your squad which is what we are carrying right now. And plenty of youth, why bring a another you in for more depth in the 4th when you need a qb you can rely
TE, FA/Adams/late round pick for depth/development)
WR, Marshal/Jeffery/Bennett/late round pick(these aren't even developmental guys)/Hester/Sanz
QB Cutler/4th round pick

If you want to say that you want to take a TE in the 4th, I'll understand it; but you have to understand that most TE's rookie year are shakier then most WR's, and will not be as good as a FA guy who can make an imideate impact.


What makes this worse is that the list of vet qb's is horrible. the Best is Flacco, and he's not leaving Balt. After that its Campbell, Leftwhich, Grossman, Derrek Anderson, Lienhart. Which of those do you want to pay 2 to 5 million to and then feel comfortable starting 2-3 games if necessary?

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This is just my 2 cents worth Ric, and I may be dead wrong in my thinking. You're right, in that a 4th round pick probably won't start the first year and do really well.

I do believe you can get a solid interior lineman in the 4th round who can be a rock solid oline player (may or may not start the first year though.....but who should be a starter by season-2). I believe you can get a great interior lineman in the 2nd (first year starter).

But, a rookie QB in the 4th is another matter IMHO. You'll get a "project" quarterback that is a crap shoot to make it in the NFL - ever. It's much more of a crap shoot than drafting an interior lineman. I look at the QB position as almost as tough to fill as the LT position. You almost need a top-10 pick in the first round to have a solid shot at getting a good one. Sure, there are a lot of exceptions to this, but it's MUCH more of a long shot than drafting guard, center, or even a TE.

You are right that the FA quarterbacks are overpriced. But it is what it is.

If we fix the problems I've listed in my earlier post, then you don't have to have a great QB as your backup (backup, not starter). Even a Kyle Orton can win as a backup, if everything else is fixed.

So, none of you advocate getting any specific qb to backup cutler, but fixing the o-line is what we're talking about, AGAIN, here. Yeah, i get it, no qb is gonna reach his potential behind this line, but we have no less than 50 threads on Tice/o-line. Not trying to be a thread nazi, but we should have a thread now and then about something else.

Again, what 2 qbs would you like to see backing Cutler next year?

Joe Montana

What was wrong with Caleb Hanie was the BEARS mindset.

Caleb Hanie is now a backup at Denver.

He's not playing arena ball.

He's the backup to Peyton Manning.

Who should be our backup QB ?

Jason Campbell and the guy we drafted.

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Originally Posted by JustAnotherBearsFan99

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This is just my 2 cents worth Ric, and I may be dead wrong in my thinking. You're right, in that a 4th round pick probably won't start the first year and do really well.

I do believe you can get a solid interior lineman in the 4th round who can be a rock solid oline player (may or may not start the first year though.....but who should be a starter by season-2). I believe you can get a great interior lineman in the 2nd (first year starter).

But, a rookie QB in the 4th is another matter IMHO. You'll get a "project" quarterback that is a crap shoot to make it in the NFL - ever. It's much more of a crap shoot than drafting an interior lineman. I look at the QB position as almost as tough to fill as the LT position. You almost need a top-10 pick in the first round to have a solid shot at getting a good one. Sure, there are a lot of exceptions to this, but it's MUCH more of a long shot than drafting guard, center, or even a TE.

You are right that the FA quarterbacks are overpriced. But it is what it is.

If we fix the problems I've listed in my earlier post, then you don't have to have a great QB as your backup (backup, not starter). Even a Kyle Orton can win as a backup, if everything else is fixed.

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But you aren't fixing everything else via the draft JABF, not even w/FA and the draft. It's not going to happen No KO cannot win if everything else is in place, he had everythign in place in Den and he couldn't win, neither can Campbell, or any of the other deadbeats getting dropped. that's the fallacy of the "vet backup". They are all limited which is why they were let go. QB's are at a premium in the nfl, if the qb had any talent he would not be let go of the team they were on, vet qb's are not cap casualties like other positions for that reason.

The trick is proper scouting so that you can grab a 3-5rd qb that fits your O(WCO, Air Coryell etc) that played in an pro style O, and then coach him up. And Cutler has proven he needs a good backup b/c he's bound to miss a few qtr's, if not a few games. Your wrong, you don't need a top 10 pick you get a good qb, they're everywhere. Rogers was a late first, Wilson a 3rd, schaub, Yates and Cousins were 4th's, Brees was a 2nd, Brady was a 5th, Kapernick in the 2nd. Again the trick is finding the qb that fits your O style.

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Originally Posted by Henry Burris

So, none of you advocate getting any specific qb to backup cutler, but fixing the o-line is what we're talking about, AGAIN, here. Yeah, i get it, no qb is gonna reach his potential behind this line, but we have no less than 50 threads on Tice/o-line. Not trying to be a thread nazi, but we should have a thread now and then about something else.

Again, what 2 qbs would you like to see backing Cutler next year?

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It doesn't matter Henry. Due to our problems on offense, Cutler hasn't helped us. 5 Cutler's won't either. That's my point.

Ric, I see your point, but I don't agree with it. I could be wrong, but I believe a vet would be the best bet as our #2. We've never been able to develop QB's anyway. Certainly not a QB taken in later rounds. Young QB's come and go here. Heck, Cutler has regressed since he came here. Sometimes I wonder if we ruined him.

JABF, and if Lovie and his co of crap coaches stay I agree w/you. But a new O minded coach will be a different story no doubt.

We didn't ruin him; he was a slightly above average qb, non elite qb to begin with. People saw the 4500 yards and 25 td's and didn't bother to look at the fact it took him over 600 attempts to get there and also turned the ball over 20 times. He's the same guy w/less talent around him.

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Originally Posted by JustAnotherBearsFan99

It doesn't matter Henry. Due to our problems on offense, Cutler hasn't helped us. 5 Cutler's won't either. That's my point.

Ric, I see your point, but I don't agree with it. I could be wrong, but I believe a vet would be the best bet as our #2. We've never been able to develop QB's anyway. Certainly not a QB taken in later rounds. Young QB's come and go here. Heck, Cutler has regressed since he came here. Sometimes I wonder if we ruined him.

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Nuff said.

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Originally Posted by Riczaj01

JABF, and if Lovie and his co of crap coaches stay I agree w/you. But a new O minded coach will be a different story no doubt.

We didn't ruin him; he was a slightly above average qb, non elite qb to begin with. People saw the 4500 yards and 25 td's and didn't bother to look at the fact it took him over 600 attempts to get there and also turned the ball over 20 times. He's the same guy w/less talent around him.

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That's a good point too. I guess I forget that new blood can change the situation. And in fairness, Bates may be able to help a young guy too.

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Originally Posted by Riczaj01

But you aren't fixing everything else via the draft JABF, not even w/FA and the draft. It's not going to happen No KO cannot win if everything else is in place, he had everythign in place in Den and he couldn't win, neither can Campbell, or any of the other deadbeats getting dropped. that's the fallacy of the "vet backup". They are all limited which is why they were let go. QB's are at a premium in the nfl, if the qb had any talent he would not be let go of the team they were on, vet qb's are not cap casualties like other positions for that reason.

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With all due respect to other players in other sports, QB in the NFL is the hardest position to learn and play well IMO. There may be 32 QBs starting in the league, but I venture that there are not 32 "starting" caliber quarterbacks playing in the league, year in and year out. That's the problem. There is so much difference between the college game and the pro game that it's almost a crap shoot, even with first rounders, drafting these guys. I don't have stats to show, but the position has to have the highest turnover (or close to it) of any. So, when these guys can't cut it they hit the market and linger in the league as back ups. Often, these guys end up on multiple teams for a few years (or more) backing up the next new franchise QB.

Campbell was almost universally regarded as a starting caliber QB in a back up role. He's not a starting caliber QB anymore. If he was, he wouldn't be in Chicago, he'd be in one of 31 other cities. Amazingly, the NFL is all about offense, with the rule-book clearly in favor of the O. In spite of this, QB play by and large is mediocre, at best, across the league.