Thread: Who should be our backup QB's next year?

Originally Posted by weneedmorelinemen

It is a waste of time for the Bears to draft rookie QBs without the proper developmental coaching in place to teach them how to play. I'm not talking o-line or player infrastructure on the team. I'm talking about the offensive coaching on this team. The only person that has walked through our door recently that I would consider qualified to teach a QB how to play was Mike Martz.

As a whole, a Lovie Smith coached team is a death sentence on the career of any long shot QB trying to make it in this league. Lovie can coach up and identify defensive players like Roach or Idonije. But it's my opinion that a rookie QB on this team, with our current coaching, has zero shot at being a capable starter because they just don't know offense enough to teach it.

We need to buy that experience and development from other teams in the form of veterans until the front office puts people (plural) on this team that know quarterback play and how to teach it in the current passing friendly NFL ruleset.

Moose Muhammad almost had it right, but I would adjust his saying to:

Chicago is where quarterbacks come to die.

That's why it really doesn't matter who the backup quarterback is right now. In fact Cutler has regressed considerably since he has come here. In the end we'll all hate him, and he'll go the same way as Rex and Kyle O. I see no evidence of it ending any other way. Bad coaching. Not enough quality players on offense either.

He will be ruined by the time Chicago is through with him.

End of story.

Soul, Im not a scout, not my job to find a qb, but I did name one, and Henry said he's a pretty solid. Now you name the backup "vet" that has any upside that has proven he can play and win games more then he can close them. Vet backups are an expensive player who've only proven they don't deserve to be in this league. Again How'd Leftwhich do for Pitt this year, that the guy you want? Your boy Campbell did exactly what I thought he would, suck....for 3.5 mil he sucked balls just like he did in Wash and Oak, wanna bring him back? Who wanna bring Rex back, see how sorry he was when he got his chance in Hou and Wash; that what you want Sexxxy Rexxxy? Hey I hear Mark Sanchez is on the way out of NJ want him? Cassle is on the way out in KC, he's special ain't he?

Name that special Vet QB that's worth a damn that you want to spend what little cap space we have on? Point of all of this is that no vet qb is going to come in and win games anymore then a rookie will. But the rookie is a fraction of the cap hit. Take the rookie and use the cap space on a vet player that will actually make a positive contribution. That is what the majority of SB winning teams do.

Originally Posted by Riczaj01

Soul, Im not a scout, not my job to find a qb, but I did name one, and Henry said he's a pretty solid. Now you name the backup "vet" that has any upside that has proven he can play and win games more then he can close them. Vet backups are an expensive player who've only proven they don't deserve to be in this league. Again How'd Leftwhich do for Pitt this year, that the guy you want? Your boy Campbell did exactly what I thought he would, suck....for 3.5 mil he sucked balls just like he did in Wash and Oak, wanna bring him back? Who wanna bring Rex back, see how sorry he was when he got his chance in Hou and Wash; that what you want Sexxxy Rexxxy? Hey I hear Mark Sanchez is on the way out of NJ want him? Cassle is on the way out in KC, he's special ain't he?

Name that special Vet QB that's worth a damn that you want to spend what little cap space we have on? Point of all of this is that no vet qb is going to come in and win games anymore then a rookie will. But the rookie is a fraction of the cap hit. Take the rookie and use the cap space on a vet player that will actually make a positive contribution. That is what the majority of SB winning teams do.

You're right that a FA is overpriced. That's why the draft is better. But our present situation is that we have so many holes to fill that it's not practical to fix everything through the draft.

Free agency usually gets you a guy who is being let go for a reason - they lack in some area, or are not worth their present contract money. There are some exceptions to this (the Patriots are really good at finding FA value players.......I wish we could do half as well as they do in finding good FA players at a bargain).

When I look at the Bears right now, I see that if Emery is what we hope - a good talent evaluator - then we can fix the team over the next 2 or 3 years, through a mix of FA's and the draft. Ultimately, we need to become more like the Packers who primarily develop their own players, with a judicious mix of FA stirred in.

It may make sense to do a hybrid of your theory Ric. Not draft a kid for QB this year. But maybe grab a very young "project" who is not a rookie, but close to it. Teams trim their rosters every year, and these kind of people get cut. It would still be a "project" player, just like a draftee though. But you could get a guy with comparable raw talent to anything we can draft (assuming you're saying to not draft a first rounder QB).

Okay...in a vacuum, all other parts being equal:

Would you prefer other qbs than the backups we have? If so, does any Fa look interesting to you? Or would you do something like roll the dice, draft a guy, and look for an udfa, given the success rate that has been had with rookies lately?

Again, how i would do it is, if Chad comes out of retirement, i'd snatch him up for #2 if he's healthy, or if he passes the physical, but doubts linger, get him as the #3 and draft a guy like Matt Scott (that dude is already an amazing athlete, with virtually no injury concerns). If Chad doesn't decide to come back, check on the availability of a Colt McCoy or Jimmy Clausen along with drafting the underrated, yet BMF Matt Scott.

Originally Posted by Riczaj01

JABF, we definately agree there is no fixing everything this year via the draft alone. We will need fa help. QB is a position of need for most teams, so any qb that can play is not going to get released, but you can find players that can still play in other positions. You fill your roster w/those players via FA.

I will also agree as long as Lovie and his garbage staff stay any pick of a qb is going to be wasted, I really hope they just move on next year b/c the sooner that happens the sooner this team will start to grow.

When I think about it all, I come to the conclusion there is no easy answer here. I'll bet Emery has something like a 2 year plan, or maybe even a 3 year plan, as he moves forward as GM. He's going to have to appease the fans somewhat - now. But, there isn't a way to get everything on track in the coming year.

I do believe that he can fix a lot of our woes for the 2013 season. Even if we keep Lovie, Emery has options to help the team. I guess this points to the fact that it's easier to have a mediocre-to-good team like we have, versus having the next level team - a team like the Packers have.

Originally Posted by Henry Burris

Okay...in a vacuum, all other parts being equal:

Would you prefer other qbs than the backups we have? If so, does any Fa look interesting to you? Or would you do something like roll the dice, draft a guy, and look for an udfa, given the success rate that has been had with rookies lately?

Again, how i would do it is, if Chad comes out of retirement, i'd snatch him up for #2 if he's healthy, or if he passes the physical, but doubts linger, get him as the #3 and draft a guy like Matt Scott (that dude is already an amazing athlete, with virtually no injury concerns). If Chad doesn't decide to come back, check on the availability of a Colt McCoy or Jimmy Clausen along with drafting the underrated, yet BMF Matt Scott.

Henry, my ideal would be to have a veteran #2 on board, while we groom a youngster at #3. Maybe we can find a "happy medium" free agent that doesn't cost what Campbell cost us, but who can step in as a solid game manager if Cutler goes down to injury. If we fix the things on offense this off season that need fixing (at least take a huge step in the right direction) then a game manager vet at #2 makes sense to me. We don't HAVE to break the bank doing this.

Reality is that when Cutler goes down to injury, our season is over - at least with the problems we have on offense, and with coaching right now. This is a "reality check" that Bears fans don't understand.

Then the Bears need to commit to a young guy to develop. None of this crap of drafting a kid and cutting him. Commit to him. Let him run some of the practice squad. In a blowout win, let him come in and get some game reps. Understand that NOBODY we're drafting in rounds 2 through 4, is going to be a starter for awhile. Heck, even Aaron Rogers rode the pine for a few years.

If you're looking for a "name" for the young guy, I'd just say grab the best youngster you can get (either draft or FA youngster) and COMMIT TO THAT GUY. Folks like to point to Tom Brady (a sixth rounder) as the ideal. But there are hall of famers who were UFA's and later round picks. But those guys needed development. They didn't step into a starting role in a year. Even Brady was 1 for 3 in his first year of riding the pine.

But do we HAVE a coach who can develop a QB?

One last attempt before dgaf: having a thread that only discusses who you personally would like to be the backup to JC. As a breath of fresh air from the Lovie/Tice/o-line/Cutler etc. Threads. Not asking who would do well behind this line, or develop with this coaching staff, the intent was for it to be independent of what troubles the Bears are facing outside of the backup QB spot, just to see if another poster thinks they know who the next "diamond-in-the-rough" qb would be.