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    Bottom Ranked "O" Again; So Who Is To Blame?............

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    Kap: Lack of offense could be Lovie's doom


    December 21, 2012, 5:58 pm


    If Cutler is ever going to find success, David Kaplan believes the Bears need to get rid of Lovie Smith and Mike Tice. (USA Today Sports Images)



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    With the Bears struggling offensively yet again, I decided to take a look at how the top offenses year-in and year-out in the NFL were built and how they have sustained a consistent record of success.

    What do they do that Lovie Smith and the Bears can only dream about accomplishing?

    Anybody can put the blame on injuries, a suspect offensive line and the referees, but one of the biggest reasons lays at the doorstep of Smith and Mike Tice. I know Lovie is a defensive coach and this is Tice’s first year as an offensive coordinator, but Smith has only had an offense ranked in the top half of the NFL once since he became the Bears head coach nine years ago and that was a mediocre 15th in 2006.

    The Bears have what they thought would be an elite quarterback in Jay Cutler who they acquired in a blockbuster trade back in 2009.

    But is Cutler really an elite signal caller? Is he capable of putting a team in his back and carrying them on a deep run through the playoffs and to a Super Bowl title? Have we been so starved for solid quarterback play here in Chicago that we overlook Cutler’s numerous flaws and instead are in love with his cannon for a right arm?

    Here is a look at the top offenses and quarterbacks in the NFL, how they were built and why they have had a consistent record of success over the past several seasons. What do they do to put an elite offense on the field year-in and year-out that the Bears can’t seem to understand how to accomplish? What makes these signal callers the best in the game season after season?

    Green Bay Packers - Aaron Rodgers

    Ever since Rodgers became the starter in 2008, he has been throwing to the same core of wide receivers that includes Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson, Donald Driver and tight end Jermichael Finley. Rodgers has worked under two offensive coordinators, but the system has been the same.

    Current offensive coordinator Tom Clements is in his first year at the position, but he has been working with Rodgers since he entered the league. Clements was the quarterbacks coach for Green Bay and was promoted to offensive coordinator when Joe Philbin was named the head coach of the Miami Dolphins.

    This season is the lowest offensive ranking (17th) for Green Bay since 2008 but every other season Rodgers has been at the helm, the Packers have has a Top 10 ranked offense. Despite the total offensive numbers, Rodgers’ quarterback rating is fifth best in the league. In addition, the Packers have a roster loaded with depth, as 43 of 53 players that were drafted and developed by Green Bay.

    New England Patriots - Tom Brady

    The three-time Super Bowl champion has served under a number of offensive coordinators that includes Charlie Weis and Josh McDaniels (twice). With that being said, it has all been run under the same head coach, Bill Belichick, who is one of the best minds the league has ever had.

    Brady’s core of wide receivers has fluctuated a little bit, but ever since 2006 he has had that go-to wide receiver. First it was Randy Moss and when he left, Wes Welker took up the role and adding Rob Gronkowski has not hurt either. Since 2005, Brady and the Pats have finished in the Top 10 in offense each season.

    Indianapolis Colts - Peyton Manning

    The four-time MVP has worked under four head coaches and two offensive coordinators since he was drafted No. 1 overall out of Tennessee in the 1998 draft. From the time Manning joined the Colts until departing Indy for Denver last spring, offensive coordinator Tom Moore was there tutoring his prized pupil.

    In 2002, the Colts added Jim Caldwell as quarterbacks coach under head man Tony Dungy which gave Manning a solid group of veteran football minds to develop his game and help him reach his full potential. Caldwell eventually became the head coach when Dungy retired, but the system stayed the same and the continuity kept Manning firmly entrenched among the best field generals of all time.

    In Denver, Manning has been working with head coach John Fox with Mike McCoy as his offensive coordinator. Together, the three have created an offense based on the QB’s skill set and have put in a system that Manning could feel comfortable with from the start of his time with the Broncos. In addition, Fox and McCoy worked together in Carolina from 2002-08 so the comfort level and approach that the two coaches employ has been developed over several years.

    Manning has had different coaches in his career, but he has always had chemistry with each coach, a similar style of game-planning and that has built a foundation for success season after season. Since 2000, an offense run by Manning has finished in the Top 10 every season except one.

    New Orleans Saints - Drew Brees

    Even with the Bountygate scandal and Drew Brees’ struggles with interceptions -- 18 through 14 games marks the second-highest total of his career -- the Saints’ offense is still ranked third in the NFL and they are ranked second in passing yards per game.

    Payton has been the head coach in the Big Easy since 2006 and since that time, the Saints have had only two offensive coordinators. Current OC Pete Carmichael, Jr., has been in New Orleans since 2009, meaning that over the past four years (including a Super Bowl title), the Saints have been running the same system with roughly the same personnel grouping.

    New Orleans has had the top-ranked offense four times since Brees became their starting quarterback in 2006. Since that season started, Brees has been throwing to the same wide receivers, which include Marques Colston and Devery Henderson. He also had standout tight end Jimmy Graham for the past few seasons and before that, Brees had Jeremy Shockey, who was a prime-time receiver after coming over from the New York Giants.

    There is no debating Brees is a great quarterback, but it also helps that he has been able to develop tremendous chemistry with his teammates for a significant amount of time and has a head coach who is an offensive guru.

    Atlanta Falcons - Matt Ryan

    Right behind Brees is his fellow NFL South rival. Since 2010, Ryan has finished in the Top 10 in passing yards among starting quarterbacks, and this season he is currently ranked fifth. Ryan came into the league in 2008 and he has lead his team to the playoffs every year except one. This year, the Falcons are close to locking up the top seed throughout the NFC playoffs.

    Head coach Mike Smith joined the Falcons the same year Ryan did. Along with Smith came offensive coordinator Mike Mularkey, who was with Atlanta through 2011 before taking the head coaching job in Jacksonville. During his four years in Atlanta, Mularkey coached the Falcons to a Top 10 scoring offense in three of four seasons.

    After Mularkey left, Dirk Koetter has picked up right where he left off and currently has the Falcons offense ranked seventh in the NFL in scoring. Since 2008, Ryan has had an outstanding group of wide receivers to throw to, led by Roddy White and future Hall of Famer Tony Gonzalez, plus a standout running game led by Michael Turner. Trading up to draft Julio Jones with the fifth pick in the 2011 draft also added another star that Ryan is able to work with.

    New York Giants - Eli Manning

    Yes, Eli tends to be overshadowed by Peyton, but let’s not forget that Eli has won two Super Bowls compared to Peyton’s one. Since Eli’s rookie year in 2004, the Giants have made the playoffs five times and they are in the postseason hunt again this year.

    Tom Coughlin became the head coach of the Giants when Eli was drafted and he added Kevin Gilbride to his staff as the quarterbacks coach until 2007, when he was named offensive coordinator. Together, Manning, Coughlin and Gilbride have led the Giants to a Top 10 offense every season since 2008.

    Early in Manning’s career, he was throwing to Plaxico Burress and Shockey, but now he has standouts Victor Cruz and Hakeem Nicks who are capable of making big plays both in the intermediate and the deep passing game.

    Manning has also had Mario Manningham and Steve Smith as go-to targets during his career, but no matter who he was lining up with, he always had a reliable group of receivers.

    Continuity with the offensive coaches and solid skill position players have always given Manning a chance to make plays. Add in a solid offensive line year-in and year-out and that is why the New York Giants are always in contention for a Super Bowl.

    Dallas Cowboys - Tony Romo

    Romo has not had the success that his division rival has had, but he is still an elite quarterback and he has been playing like one as of late. He is the major reason why the Cowboys are back in the playoff hunt after a slow start to the 2012 season.

    Since Romo became the starter in 2006, he has finished with a Top 10 passer rating in every season except 2010 when he suffered a broken clavicle and was placed on injured reserve. In every full season Romo has played in except one, the Cowboys have been a Top 10 offense.

    If there is one team on this list that is similar to the unstable coaching staff of the Bears, it is the Cowboys. Since Romo became the starter, the Cowboys have had three different head coaches: Bill Parcells, Wade Phillips and current head coach Jason Garrett. Garrett has been with the Cowboys since 2007, so there is a small amount of stability, but they do not have an offensive coordinator. Instead they have a running game coordinator in Hudson Houck and a passing game coordinator which is Garrett.

    Despite the coaching staff, Romo has always had a wide array of weapons to throw to, including standout tight end Jason Witten who has been in Dallas the entire time Romo has been there. Terrell Owens had a brief stop and was solid. Now, Romo has Dez Bryant and Miles Austin to help carry the Cowboys to the fourth best offense in the NFL this season.

    Houston Texans - Matt Schaub

    Schaub became the starter for the Houston Texans in 2007 after serving as the backup in Atlanta for three seasons. It took a season for Schaub to improve and develop, but every season except one since 2008, he has led the Texans to a Top 10 offense, including an offense currently ranked third in scoring.

    One aspect that helps is having weapons like Arian Foster and Andre Johnson, who is arguably the best wide receiver in the game and has been in Houston since he was drafted in 2003.

    Schaub has been working under offensive-minded head coach Gary Kubiak ever since he was traded to Houston. The head coach has stayed the same, but Schaub has had to work under three offensive coordinators. But they may have found the right guy in Rick Dennison, who took over in 2010. The Texans have finished in the Top 10 in scoring each season since Dennison arrived.

    Washington Redskins - Robert Griffin III

    Yes, he is a rookie, but he is playing like an experienced veteran. He has the Redskins on the verge of the playoffs with two games to go. Griffin has the sixth best passer rating and is currently ranked second in total quarterback rating.

    The Redskins quarterback has been working under head coach Mike Shanahan and his son, Kyle, as offensive coordinator, which gives the coaching staff excellent rapport and continuity. Griffin has led the Redskins to the fourth best offense in the league this season.

    Yes, it is possible he can suffer a sophomore slump, but the Redskins have an experienced foundation of coaches which may prevent that from happening and help RGIII to be even better. If that is the case, the rest of the NFL better look out.

    Seattle Seahawks - Russell Wilson

    Some may argue that Andrew Luck could be in this spot, but look at the numbers. Luck has thrown a league-leading 18 interceptions, while Wilson also has a much better passer rating and total quarterback rating, where he is ranked eighth in the NFL compared to Luck, who is ranked 12th.

    Wilson has been working under Pete Carroll, who was hired to be the head coach in 2010 and offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell, who joined Carroll’s coaching staff in 2011 after Carroll fired Jeremy Bates, who is now the Bears quarterbacks coach.

    The Seahawks are currently ranked 11th in scoring and one of the major reasons Wilson made this list is because of his ability to run. Along with Wilson as a threat by himself, he has Sidney Rice to throw to and a backfield led by Marshawn Lynch, who is second in rushing yards behind Adrian Peterson.

    However, to say that the Seahawks are loaded with difference-makers on the offensive side of the ball for Wilson to work with is not accurate. He has proven to the rest of the football world that the old axiom that you cannot win with a rookie QB is no longer accurate.

    Where are the Bears?

    In looking at all of the teams that I highlighted and the story their statistics tell, it is obvious the Chicago Bears are a long way from being a team with a championship-caliber offense.

    However, to put the blame on Jay Cutler is not entirely fair. Yes, he has made some poor decisions and some poor throws that have directly led to losses. Jay, though, is forced to play behind an absolutely awful offensive line that gives him no time to survey the field and make a decision on where to throw the ball.

    Add in the fact that he has a receiver in Devin Hester, who has absolutely zero knowledge of how to play the position, no competent tight end that he can use either downfield or in a check-down situation, and no other receiver besides Brandon Marshall that he count on to make a play when a drive is at a critical point.

    When you factor in that Mike Tice is completely unprepared to be an offensive coordinator -- having never held the position in his life before being promoted to the role last spring -- and the level of dysfunction on the Bears offense keeps them from being successful, it is obvious that no matter what happens during the season’s final two games, a change must be made with the head coach and his staff.

    Lovie Smith has had an offense ranked in the Top 15 of the NFL only once in his nine years as the Bears head coach and that was 15th in 2006. He may be a brilliant defensive strategist, but he is sorely lacking as a head coach and at the end of this season, GM Phil Emery must clean out the coaching staff and hire the best offensive minds he can find.

    That will give him a chance to find out whether or not Jay Cutler is the long-term answer at quarterback. If Smith and Tice are allowed to return, then Cutler has no chance of ever being the QB everyone hopes he can be in a Bears uniform because Smith has proven repeatedly that he does not have the ability to put an offensive staff together that can put a championship offense on the field week-in and week-out.

    The Bears have had championship-caliber defensive talent for the past several seasons and unless a complete overhaul of the coaching staff is made after this season, the defense will continue to age and their window of playing Super Bowl-caliber defense will close before the offense will be at an acceptable level.

    That would be incredibly unfortunate.

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    I've just got a few comments. I pretty much agree with everything. As far as GB goes, as he says they have always had the O in the top 10 except for this year. This year is also when Clements became OC. Cooincidence? Not sure, but does give one some pause and makes on think if he would really be a good HC. QB coach? hell yeah, but obviously not going to happen.

    The other point I would make is that he says that Cutler has no one other than Marshall he can throw to. I think this is an exageration to make his point. Bennett is very reliable and I think Jeffrey is an excellent WR. Yes, they have been injured off and on, but over and above that, they really are not being used very effectively in the offensive scheme. Once Marshall got here, the ball distribution got one dimensional. This also makes the O one dimensional. You can't have a high powered offense unless you have many weapons (are are willing to use them) to keep the D off guard. They need to have RBs to worry about - both as a running and receiving threat and several WRs that can make plays (we have that) that they don't who will be targeted (we don't have that), and some TE threats that can actually move the ball.

    But I disagree we only have one WR threat. I would characterize it as only one WR threat we are using. ANd BTW, how did everyone forget how to hold onto the ball?

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    We all know that changes in the Bears coaching staff need to be made. The only question yet to be answered is how deep will that cut be?

    Kaplan maintains that both Lovie and Tice need to go but in my opinion that doesn't take into consideration the fact that if that happens we may lose other coaches we would be far better off not to.

    At the bottom of it all is doing only what needs to be done and no more. Doing what Dan Pompei claims can't be done. And that is letting Mike Tice go and allowing Phil Emery to interview OCs and select one who will be the right match for the Bears and Jay Cutler.

    There's no question that the Bears have made a huge investment in him and in Brandon Marshall and neither of them is going anywhere. The Bears have never been able to develop good QBs and they no one even in a developmental position at the moment having released Matt Blanchard. Therefore Jay Cutler will be re-signed next year and will be the Bears QB for a very long time.

    Maybe the best thing about this attached video is the discussion about Devin Hester. To a man the panel not only agrees with all that has been said around here but parrots almost the exact words and thoughts most of us have expressed. It's almost like they read our posts and simply said precisely what we've been saying for several years. Using Hester as a #1 or #1 WR has not only hurt this offense but it's hurt Hester as well.

    I'm not expecting to see anything different from the offense in these last two games than we've seen before with the possible exception of Forte being used more in the passing game. It seems that Tice is finally becoming convinced that throwing to him makes as much or more sense than running him right now since that isn't working as planned and he has no TE who he can depend on to catch a ball in crunch time.

    The decision on what to do about coaching after the season ends is more complex than it seems. This is probably the biggest challenge Emery will face so far as GM and ho he handles it may well define how he's viewed by fans as the Bears GM. It really is up to him to define what the Bears of the next 3-5 years will look like and whether or not retaining Lovie will allow him to reach the goals he has for the team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bearsinhouston View Post
    I've just got a few comments. I pretty much agree with everything. As far as GB goes, as he says they have always had the O in the top 10 except for this year. This year is also when Clements became OC. Cooincidence? Not sure, but does give one some pause and makes on think if he would really be a good HC. QB coach? hell yeah, but obviously not going to happen.

    The other point I would make is that he says that Cutler has no one other than Marshall he can throw to. I think this is an exageration to make his point. Bennett is very reliable and I think Jeffrey is an excellent WR. Yes, they have been injured off and on, but over and above that, they really are not being used very effectively in the offensive scheme. Once Marshall got here, the ball distribution got one dimensional. This also makes the O one dimensional. You can't have a high powered offense unless you have many weapons (are are willing to use them) to keep the D off guard. They need to have RBs to worry about - both as a running and receiving threat and several WRs that can make plays (we have that) that they don't who will be targeted (we don't have that), and some TE threats that can actually move the ball.

    But I disagree we only have one WR threat. I would characterize it as only one WR threat we are using. ANd BTW, how did everyone forget how to hold onto the ball?
    McCarthy said in an interview that they purposefully started scaling back the O to help the D be put in better positions also. So keep that in mind when looking at raw data and keep that in consideration about them no longer in the top 10. McCarthy is looking at all aspects of the game, not just we'll drop 30-40 points each week, and not care that the D is then on the field to much and worn out; b/c it costs the team when going up against other teams capable of scoring like that; or D's capable of preventing those 30-40 points.

    as for blame,
    1) Talent evaluators/Coaches *this group decided to not upgrade the worst position on the team top to bottom, so the next group is partially on them
    2) OL *constantly in the bottom of the league, how can someone setup a game plan when this group cannot execute; which prevents your skilled players from executing
    3) WR/TE's the qb doesn't trusth them, and they've dropped to many passes/ecspecially td' passes to not be part of the problem
    tie between 4/5) Qb/Rb's this was to be the key depth on the team, and it's failed, partially b/c of 1 & 2, partially b/c they just weren't good enough on their own.
    6) GM/management, you took the works of 1 and didn't upgrade one of the worst OL's in the league the last several years, ya you weren't on the team, but when the OL is constantly ranked that low, it shouldn't take a genius to know there is a problem. Also you tied Emery's hands w/a HC/staff that has proven not good enough the last few years ecspecially at OC, and go fig; you got more of the same.

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    The video makes some excellent points on Tice, Cutler and Hester. I agree with all of them. I'd like to see what Cutler is able to do with some consistent GOOD coaches around him before I decide he should go, but I am definitely open to the possibility that he is a problem -- both on the field as well as with coaching relationships. However, too many crappy coaches he has worked for. I am just not ready to throw him under the bus yet. Let's fix the stuff we KNOW is broken and then we can take a more critical look at Jay. JMO

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    Ric - not saying it was Clements -- just saying that there is something to seriously look at before we dive into another long lasting HC relationship. I think it is a data point that you do not ignore. The fact that it could be by design is definitely valid. I think you have to dissect the team play and see what happened and if any of that was due to Clements or not before saying he was or was not part of the drop in performance. God knows we pull the trigger before we do enough research. I just want Emery to look at all the angles.

    Quote Originally Posted by Riczaj01 View Post
    McCarthy said in an interview that they purposefully started scaling back the O to help the D be put in better positions also. So keep that in mind when looking at raw data and keep that in consideration about them no longer in the top 10. McCarthy is looking at all aspects of the game, not just we'll drop 30-40 points each week, and not care that the D is then on the field to much and worn out; b/c it costs the team when going up against other teams capable of scoring like that; or D's capable of preventing those 30-40 points.

    as for blame,
    1) Talent evaluators/Coaches *this group decided to not upgrade the worst position on the team top to bottom, so the next group is partially on them
    2) OL *constantly in the bottom of the league, how can someone setup a game plan when this group cannot execute; which prevents your skilled players from executing
    3) WR/TE's the qb doesn't trusth them, and they've dropped to many passes/ecspecially td' passes to not be part of the problem
    tie between 4/5) Qb/Rb's this was to be the key depth on the team, and it's failed, partially b/c of 1 & 2, partially b/c they just weren't good enough on their own.
    6) GM/management, you took the works of 1 and didn't upgrade one of the worst OL's in the league the last several years, ya you weren't on the team, but when the OL is constantly ranked that low, it shouldn't take a genius to know there is a problem. Also you tied Emery's hands w/a HC/staff that has proven not good enough the last few years ecspecially at OC, and go fig; you got more of the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bearsinhouston View Post
    I've just got a few comments. I pretty much agree with everything. As far as GB goes, as he says they have always had the O in the top 10 except for this year. This year is also when Clements became OC. Cooincidence? Not sure, but does give one some pause and makes on think if he would really be a good HC. QB coach? hell yeah, but obviously not going to happen.

    The other point I would make is that he says that Cutler has no one other than Marshall he can throw to. I think this is an exageration to make his point. Bennett is very reliable and I think Jeffrey is an excellent WR. Yes, they have been injured off and on, but over and above that, they really are not being used very effectively in the offensive scheme. Once Marshall got here, the ball distribution got one dimensional. This also makes the O one dimensional. You can't have a high powered offense unless you have many weapons (are are willing to use them) to keep the D off guard. They need to have RBs to worry about - both as a running and receiving threat and several WRs that can make plays (we have that) that they don't who will be targeted (we don't have that), and some TE threats that can actually move the ball.

    But I disagree we only have one WR threat. I would characterize it as only one WR threat we are using. ANd BTW, how did everyone forget how to hold onto the ball?

    Well said brother. Those who would vote for Tom Clements as a HC would be well advised to think about the fact that he's already turned down and offer to become the Bears OC and that while he's certainly had an impact on Aaron Rodgers development his impact on the offense has been far less. McCarthy and Philbin get most of the credit for that.

    Your entire 2nd paragraph is spot on. Based on what I've been seeing and listening to what's been said and doing a little reading between the lines this is what I believe is a major problem with the Bears offense this year.

    Other than Marshall, Jay Cutler has no other WR he trusts as completely. Bennett may come close but his constant injuries have kept him out of the line up more than should be the case and even when healthy Tice has chosen Hester over Bennett as the #2 WR and Cutler trusts Hester not at all. Jeffery gives him another big target but because he's still learning the trust level is not there to the same degree that it is with Marshall or Bennett. I believe Cutler would prefer to have Sanz or even Weems playing over Hester. At least Sanz has the route running skills and the hands you associate with a guy whose played WR his entire life which is something Hester does not have and never will. The instincts, intelligence and discipline aren't there.

    Let's look at this Hester thing for a minute and think about a possibility that's not been mentioned before. Hester has been used as a #1 or #2 WR now for about 5 or 6 years under three different OCs and now under a second GM. We've always blamed Angelo and to a lesser degree the OCs for trying to make a WR out of the guy but are we actually correct about that? The only constants throughout this experiment have been Lovie and Drake. I'm beginning to believe that it's been Lovie and his cronie WR coach who have had far more to do with insisting Hester play than it has been the others. Is there is anything else on this team that any more fits the profile of Lovie's stubbornness and determination to prove a point beyond all reason than this? I may be wrong but it sure is difficult to keep explaining it in other ways.

    Another issue with this offense is that I think for most of the season we've had one pretty unhappy RB and another who is either stiff hampered by that ankle injury or he's simply gotten frustrated with how he's being used in this offense and hasn't been putting out top effort. Before his injury Bush should have been used far more than he has been. I think we've all seen his effectiveness at times running through the line and getting the extra yards with his size and effort. Forte is a cutback runner and the cutback lanes haven't been there. Tice's blocking scheme is totally wrong for his style of running but it does fit Bush's.

    In many cases Tice should have been using Forte far more as a receiver and getting him into the open one on one with tacklers where he can and does make people miss. In many cases Tice should also have been using Bush to carry the mail and wear defenses down and then using Forte as the "change of pace back". He didn't. Bush ended up unhappy with his limited role and I don't think Forte has been happy with how he's been asked to fulfill his. With backs like those two we should have run far more and far more effectively than we did. Tice passes too much.

    Is this just one more example, as with Hester, where a players contract dictates how much he plays? Doesn't that seem likely with Kellen Davis as well? Why would you not at least give another player a shot at starting at TE after Davis has performed so miserably this year? I can understand the concept that to play better you have to play but along with that is the need to show improvement and he never did. Why were lesser players at other positions with lesser contracts benched yet we continue to force Cutler to throw to inept receivers like Davis and Hester and ignore players with much better receiving skills albeit with much smaller contracts?

    One of the words used both in the video and in the article is the word "dysfunctional". There really isn't a better word to describe it. Here's the definition of the word.

    dys·func·tion·al [dis-fuhngk-shuh-nl]

    1. not performing normally, as an organ or structure of the body; malfunctioning.

    2. having a malfunctioning part or element:

    Number two strikes me as the most accurate only the Bears have more than one of those. I think of dysfunctional is a situation that has all of the elements to succeed but for whatever reason parties to the situation behave in an abnormal fashion and create dysfunction. We see it in families where there is an addiction present in one or more members.

    With the offensive talent the Bears put on the field this year there is no way in hell that they should have the 29th ranked offense in the NFL. It's like having one of the fastest cars on a NASCAR track yet finding creative ways to get into accidents and lose races week after week after week. Mike Tice (and his offense) are the Danica Patrick's of NFL offenses. The elements to succeed are there but for whatever reason they aren't being driven well enough to succeed just like Danica seems to be attracted to getting into smash ups with other cars. Well she's a woman so maybe we should expect that. If there's a way to get into a pile up she'll find it. But what's Tice's excuse?

    For good of for ill Jay Cutler is the Bears QB and if I'm not incorrect he will be for the better part of the next decade so maybe it's time we found and OC and and offense that fits him. I'm not seeing a whole lot of other possibilities here.
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    Jay, though, is forced to play behind an absolutely awful offensive line that gives him no time to survey the field and make a decision on where to throw the ball.

    Add in the fact that he has a receiver in Devin Hester, who has absolutely zero knowledge of how to play the position, no competent tight end that he can use either downfield or in a check-down situation, and no other receiver besides Brandon Marshall that he count on to make a play when a drive is at a critical point.

    When you factor in that Mike Tice is completely unprepared to be an offensive coordinator -- having never held the position in his life before being promoted to the role last spring -- and the level of dysfunction on the Bears offense keeps them from being successful,
    Nothing new here.

    This is the same thing every year, just different names and faces. Still a deadbeat offense. No Super Bowl wins.....just the old dusty Lombardi Trophy from 1985.
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    Quote Originally Posted by soulman View Post
    Well said brother. Those who would vote for Tom Clements as a HC would be well advised to think about the fact that he's already turned down and offer to become the Bears OC and that while he's certainly had an impact on Aaron Rodgers development his impact on the offense has been far less. McCarthy and Philbin get most of the credit for that.

    Your entire 2nd paragraph is spot on. Based on what I've been seeing and listening to what's been said and doing a little reading between the lines this is what I believe is a major problem with the Bears offense this year.

    Other than Marshall, Jay Cutler has no other WR he trusts as completely. Bennett may come close but his constant injuries have kept him out of the line up more than should be the case and even when healthy Tice has chosen Hester over Bennett as the #2 WR and Cutler trusts Hester not at all. Jeffery gives him another big target but because he's still learning the trust level is not there to the same degree that it is with Marshall or Bennett. I believe Cutler would prefer to have Sanz or even Weems playing over Hester. At least Sanz has the route running skills and the hands you associate with a guy whose played WR his entire life which is something Hester does not have and never will. The instincts, intelligence and discipline aren't there.

    Let's look at this Hester thing for a minute and think about a possibility that's not been mentioned before. Hester has been used as a #1 or #2 WR now for about 5 or 6 years under three different OCs and now under a second GM. We've always blamed Angelo and to a lesser degree the OCs for trying to make a WR out of the guy but are we actually correct about that? The only constants throughout this experiment have been Lovie and Drake. I'm beginning to believe that it's been Lovie and his cronie WR coach who have had far more to do with insisting Hester play than it has been the others. Is there is anything else on this team that any more fits the profile of Lovie's stubbornness and determination to prove a point beyond all reason than this? I may be wrong but it sure is difficult to keep explaining it in other ways.

    Another issue with this offense is that I think for most of the season we've had one pretty unhappy RB and another who is either stiff hampered by that ankle injury or he's simply gotten frustrated with how he's being used in this offense and hasn't been putting out top effort. Before his injury Bush should have been used far more than he has been. I think we've all seen his effectiveness at times running through the line and getting the extra yards with his size and effort. Forte is a cutback runner and the cutback lanes haven't been there. Tice's blocking scheme is totally wrong for his style of running but it does fit Bush's.

    In many cases Tice should have been using Forte far more as a receiver and getting him into the open one on one with tacklers where he can and does make people miss. In many cases Tice should also have been using Bush to carry the mail and wear defenses down and then using Forte as the "change of pace back". He didn't. Bush ended up unhappy with his limited role and I don't think Forte has been happy with how he's been asked to fulfill his. With backs like those two we should have run far more and far more effectively than we did. Tice passes too much.

    Is this just one more example, as with Hester, where a players contract dictates how much he plays? Doesn't that seem likely with Kellen Davis as well? Why would you not at least give another player a shot at starting at TE after Davis has performed so miserably this year? I can understand the concept that to play better you have to play but along with that is the need to show improvement and he never did. Why were lesser players at other positions with lesser contracts benched yet we continue to force Cutler to throw to inept receivers like Davis and Hester and ignore players with much better receiving skills albeit with much smaller contracts?

    One of the words used both in the video and in the article is the word "dysfunctional". There really isn't a better word to describe it. Here's the definition of the word.

    dys·func·tion·al [dis-fuhngk-shuh-nl]

    1. not performing normally, as an organ or structure of the body; malfunctioning.

    2. having a malfunctioning part or element:

    Number two strikes me as the most accurate only the Bears have more than one of those. I think of dysfunctional is a situation that has all of the elements to succeed but for whatever reason parties to the situation behave in an abnormal fashion and create dysfunction. We see it in families where there is an addiction present in one or more members.

    With the offensive talent the Bears put on the field this year there is no way in hell that they should have the 29th ranked offense in the NFL. It's like having one of the fastest cars on a NASCAR track yet finding creative ways to get into accidents and lose races week after week after week. Mike Tice (and his offense) are the Danica Patrick's of NFL offenses. The elements to succeed are there but for whatever reason they aren't being driven well enough to succeed just like Danica seems to be attracted to getting into smash ups with other cars. Well she's a woman so maybe we should expect that. If there's a way to get into a pile up she'll find it. But what's Tice's excuse?

    For good of for ill Jay Cutler is the Bears QB and if I'm not incorrect he will be for the better part of the next decade so maybe it's time we found and OC and and offense that fits him. I'm not seeing a whole lot of other possibilities here.
    Nothing to add really. IMO Clements needs some more proving before he's a HC candidate, and Drake is a fine waste of precious oxygen.

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