Thread: Thinking the Unthinkable

Originally Posted by Jimmors

Yeah, Lovie isnt THAT bad of a coach, i just think the problem in the past is that he was given too much control in setting up how the team was run, which is fine when you first start, but if you have that control and it fails miserably, then there must come a time where you take the keys to your mercedes away from your teenager.

We tried to build a Tampa-style Defense when he first got it here, and while it worked great in 2005 and 2006, we completely ignored the offense and it burned us.

Then we tried Lovie's next approach...his time in St Louis, bringing in Martz and STL players, and THAT failed miserably as well.

Our defense is still solid because the Tampa 2 is a simple defense, and we have the key personnel to run it (a great DL, and solid LB corps combined with aggressive DBs like Peanut and Jennings). Unfortunately, we are completely LOST when it comes to running an offense. We have a franchise QB, we have a probowl WR and RB, so i think its time that we let Emery pick out a GOOD OC to run the offense, and try to fix our OL and TEs. If that happens, i think this team can make it all the way, even under Lovie.

Also remember the 85 Bears...Ditka and Buddy Ryan pretty much HATED each other and where at odds with each other all the time, and yet it still worked out beautifully for us. I think we can repeat that except on the opposite end of the ball...Lovie handling the D with Marinelli and some no-BS OC calling the shots on offense, one who doesnt give a shit about what Lovie thinks, because our new OC will probably be next in Line for the HC spot. I think that tension will force everyone to step up, Lovie included (since he knows his job is on the line)

I think you make some excellent points. Personally, I'm torn, as to what is best here. I'm leaning more and more towards fixing the talent issues that have really hurt us on offense, and giving the scheme/OC one more season - to see what they can do with a decent oline, TE's and at least 1 more WR who can run routes and catch a football.

But as I said in another thread, I'd be lying if I said I was 100% sure about this.

If we get rid of Lovie, which I don't think we will, it will be in large part because of his inability to find good coordinators/coaches. JMO

Therefore, if we don't get rid of Lovie, I firmly believe he will be given the ability to control who is OC, which means Tice stays.

To me, the most likely course of action is he stays, no extension, no coordinator changes but a positional coach change (likely something totally innocuous like TE coach or something).

Originally Posted by BearStuff

If we get rid of Lovie, which I don't think we will, it will be in large part because of his inability to find good coordinators/coaches. JMO

Therefore, if we don't get rid of Lovie, I firmly believe he will be given the ability to control who is OC, which means Tice stays.

To me, the most likely course of action is he stays, no extension, no coordinator changes but a positional coach change (likely something totally innocuous like TE coach or something).

That may be what happens. Emery has everything at stake here. It's ultimately his neck, and career on the line. If he ends up looking like a genius in Chicago, during his tenure then he's got it made (like the Tuna). If he mishandles the role, then he may never work as a GM again.

He strikes me as a thoughtful guy. Pretty sharp. I'm really interested in seeing what moves he makes (and doesn't make) after the season ends.

if he stays, giving him an extension would be bad business. Guy hasn't deserved it. Lame Duck coach unless he wins the SB this year - which won't happen