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Thinking the Unthinkable
I was thinking about the Lovie situation -- I try not to think very often as it irritates my wife -- and I know there is a pretty good possibility that Lovie might get extended and so i tried to figure out how that might happen, but every option I go down doesn't make too much sense to me. But I know I am biased against his staying so I thought I would outline my thoughts and see if some peopl on the other side of the fence like Henry, Benji and JABF would consider this and maybe propose something that I could not think of or maybe an option that doesn't make logical sense to me might make sense to someone that wants Lovie to stay. The mind can always justify what it wants to justify, so I want to get more than my own opinion. So here goes.
There is a good chance the last two games will be won by the BEars. The last two teams are the sort of teams that we have been beating all year, so nothing new here for me at least. To me this would just reinforce that we can beat easy teams but not good teams and proves nothing. However, I can already see people saying that Lovie can "turn things around" by winning the last two games. So while I see winning the last two games as completely expected and proving nothing other than what he has already proven - able to beat easy teams, there are some that think it will mean more than that. So then I thought, well Emery is a football guy and he should know better, but you can't ever count on anything..... SOOOOOOO....
For arguments sake, lets just say that the decision has been made not to terminate Lovie. Let's try not to use this thread to say why he should be terminated or why not. There are so many other threads that do that. The premise here is that he WILL NOT be teminated. So let's see how that would work.
Option 1. No temination, but no extension.
This puts Lovie in a lame duck situation. Some have said that the Bears would not do this, but I think it's a possibility.
Pros:
1. Allows the Bears to keep from paying Lovie 6M to either stay on the couch or to coach for someone else (A good investment if it is GB IMO). Saves the Bears 6M. I don't think it would save on any other coaches because if they left prior to their contract, the Bears would not have to pay them. Just Lovie, so this option saves 6M
2. Allows us to see what Lovie can do with more weapons. He already got a #1 WR and a potential #2 WR, but this may not be enough for Lovie to have a good year. We can see what he is capable of with a better line.
3. Lovie might not want to be a lame duck coach and may leave on his own, saving the team 6M
4. Keeps the team from having to solve the salary condundrum (see below under option #2 cons)
Cons:
1. It can be argued that this just puts off the change of direction the team needs because of short term monetary considerations.
2. Having a lame duck coach will make it very difficult to bring in good talent - especially at OC. This would limit us to internal candidates, which has not worked well for us thus far. Any good external candidate that was told that they would become the HC by doing well at OC, would only be helping Lovie be successful by doing well - in fact it would be a conflict of interest to put anyone in that position.
Option 2. No termination, with an extension.
Pros:
1. Keeps Lovie from being a lame duck coach and gives the team the opportunity to bring in a better OC.
2. Keeps Continuity
Cons:
1. Keeps Continuity
2. Lovie has not proved he can win against winning teams. If he is renewed, the cost of letting him go if he continues this trend goes up.
3. Salary issues. Lovie is being paid as the 5th best coach in the league. His performance does not match his pay. Does Emery continue to pay him like a top 5 coach? Does he bring down his salary to be equal to his performance? If so, does Lovie walk away? Does he decide to stay but with no contract to tey and justify a higher salary for an extension next year?
This last issue is what led me to believe that there was no really good ending to keeping Lovie. We may knowingly have to overpay Lovie just to have the priviledge of keeping him as our HC.
Option 3. I don't see any other options, but if you do post 'em
So with these in mind, does it make sense to keep Lovie under any circumstances? I could not find justification, but would honestly like to hear from some that can better justify Lovies staying here.
Feel free to add to the points above if I have missed anything. Let's just try to stay away from any justifications for keeping or letting Lovie go. Remember, that decision has been made. What we want to see is if having made that decision, it withstands logical scrutiny in the end.
Happy Holidays!
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For arguments sake, lets just say that the decision has been made not to terminate Lovie. Let's try not to use this thread to say why he should be terminated or why not. There are so many other threads that do that. The premise here is that he WILL NOT be teminated. So let's see how that would work. Option 1. No temination, but no extension.
Option 2. No termination, with an extension.
So with these in mind, does it make sense to keep Lovie under any circumstances? I could not find justification, but would honestly like to hear from some that can better justify Lovies staying here. To be honest, I've not made up my mind yet because there are some unknown variables that I'm struggling with. The whole situation has made me crazy. So I have no wisdom here :-(
I want to see HOW the season ends before I really make up my mind. If we would have a miracle finish, that would make me more comfortable with Lovie staying, and even getting extended. But the only way I want this to happen is if Emery can help him bring in an OC who can fill the void Lovie has regarding the offense. Lovie is 100% clueless with offense. He has been 100% clueless in getting solid offensive coaches.
So, the only thing I am confident about is that the Bears must fix the coaching on offense if they are going to keep Lovie. Anything less than this is madness.
If the Bears end up #3 in the division again, then surely Lovie will be let go. The Vikings look like a franchise on the way up, with Frazier coaching them. The Packers look dominate for the next few years (winning 48-0 right now). I can't imagine a #3 finish again......Detroit & Chicago - bottom-feeders of the NFC-N.
Last edited by JustAnotherBearsFan99; 12-23-2012 at 02:53 PM.
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I think if we keep lovie, we should target a premiere OC candidate (Haley, Turner) give them buncha money, and first shot at chance to be HC if Lovie goes, saying they do well, of course.
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99, you are deciding if Lovie stays. That's not the premise. The premise is that it has already been decided that Lovie is staying.
How would it get put together based on some of the observations?

Originally Posted by
JustAnotherBearsFan99
To be honest, I've not made up my mind yet because there are some unknown variables that I'm struggling with. The whole situation has made me crazy. So I have no wisdom here :-(
I want to see HOW the season ends before I really make up my mind. If we would have a miracle finish, that would make me more comfortable with Lovie staying, and even getting extended. But the only way I want this to happen is if Emery can help him bring in an OC who can fill the void Lovie has regarding the offense. Lovie is 100% clueless with offense. He has been 100% clueless in getting solid offensive coaches.
So, the only thing I am confident about is that the Bears must fix the coaching on offense if they are going to keep Lovie. Anything less than this is madness.
If the Bears end up #3 in the division again, then surely Lovie will be let go. The Vikings look like a franchise on the way up, with Frazier coaching them. The Packers look dominate for the next few years (winning 48-0 right now). I can't imagine a #3 finish again......Detroit & Chicago - bottom-feeders of the NFC-N.
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ok, so if we keep Lovie, do we extend him or let him be a lame duck coach for a year to see how he does? If we extend him, do we continue to pay him as a top 5 coach? That was the issue I was trying to resolve. It's obvious that if Lovie is kept, that a new OC would be in order.

Originally Posted by
Henry Burris
I think if we keep lovie, we should target a premiere OC candidate (Haley, Turner) give them buncha money, and first shot at chance to be HC if Lovie goes, saying they do well, of course.
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Lame duck, and make it enticing to OCs to wanna come here.
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Originally Posted by
bearsinhouston
99, you are deciding if Lovie stays. That's not the premise. The premise is that it has already been decided that Lovie is staying.
How would it get put together based on some of the observations?
OK, I missed that part. Sorry.
Then, under that scenario, we may just be screwed. We'll continue to beat the worst teams (like the Cardinals today), but get beaten by the good teams. More mediocrity.
Don't extend Lovie. We're doomed for years if we do that. If we must ride out one more season then promote Bates to OC. It's not ideal, but better than Tice. Then ride out Lovie's last year. We'll be an NFC-N bottom feeder with Detroit again. The Packers will continue to be the "class" of the division. The Vikings are the #2 team now. We'll be 3rd or 4th.
Mediocre again.
Last edited by JustAnotherBearsFan99; 12-23-2012 at 05:26 PM.
Brian Urlacher
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Interesting choice.
So two questions.
1. I am assuming that you feel Lovie would be ok to stay on as a lame duck coach?
2. How do you propose that you make it attractive for an OC to come here? Remember, if he makes things work, people will just say that Lovie just needed a good OC and so the OC will have saved Lovies job. That means any incentive for him to get the HC position goes away with his success. Kind of if you win you lose scenario for the OC. Do you still think a top OC would come here knowing that it could be a one year only deal for him if Lovie is let go at the end of his contract?

Originally Posted by
Henry Burris
Lame duck, and make it enticing to OCs to wanna come here.
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ok, so your choice is not to extend him, but to let him ride out his contract as a lame duck coach? How would you answer the questions I asked Henry?
I think his being a lame duck coach pretty much eliminates the possibility of a good external OC, but Henry may not. I'd like to see if he has a solution to that.
Edit: sorry 99, I see you have solved that by saying we won't get a good external OC and to put Bates in there with the possibility that we basically lose a year. I think that's what you meant anyway. AM I putting words in your mouth?

Originally Posted by
JustAnotherBearsFan99
OK, I missed that part. Sorry.
Then, under that scenario, we may just be screwed. We'll continue to beat the worst teams (like the Cardinals today), but get beaten by the good teams. More mediocrity.
Don't extend Lovie. We're doomed for years if we do that. If we must ride out one more season then promote Bates to OC. It's not ideal, but better than Tice. Then ride out Lovie's last year. We'll be an NFC-N bottom feeder with Detroit again. The Packers will continue to be the "class" of the division. The Vikings are the #2 team now. We'll be 3rd or 4th.
Mediocre again.
Last edited by bearsinhouston; 12-23-2012 at 05:31 PM.
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Originally Posted by
bearsinhouston
ok, so your choice is not to extend him, but to let him ride out his contract as a lame duck coach? How would you answer the questions I asked Henry?
I think his being a lame duck coach pretty much eliminates the possibility of a good external OC, but Henry may not. I'd like to see if he has a solution to that.
I don't think a solid OC guy will come here if Lovie is a lame duck. That's why our only options are:
1. Bring in another deadbeat who can't get hired anywhere else.
2. Promote Bates.
Under that scenario I'd opt for #2.
Brian Urlacher
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