Ben you keep bring up tha JC is changing the plays. What source are you using to get your facts? If JC is changing the plays and Tice is still alowing it to happen game after game, That has to fall back to Tice , no? Maybe Tice's O can work, but with the OL the way it is,it won't. Max protect does really limit the play calling.
I would lean to he's running Tice's stuff but is perhaps subverting some of the play-calling. Doesn't bode well for anyone with the clipboard either way.
An article saying he is allowed to audible. Need more? There are plenty.
Not much Tice can do to stop him once he is out there to stop him except asking Lovie to bench him. Lovie would laugh at him and play him anyway because the back up gives us no chance to win. But if he did bench Cutler, fans would riot and call for Lovie's head even more than they are now. Lovie would not give details to a Cutler benching, but would cover for him in the public light as he does for his players before going into them behind the scenes away from the media's prying eyes.
I tend to think there is no one place to point, JABF. And I think that is your point about "what is wrong?" too.
Tice makes some errors, yes. Cutler makes some errors, yes. The Oline makes some errors, yes. The Rb's make some errors, yes. The Wr's make some errors, yes.
They all feed off of each other.
Go back and watch tape....when we get a decent start on first down, that drive typically is pretty good. Not saying they always score, but if you look at the length of our drives (by number of plays and time expired) either we go 3 and out or we have 8+ play drives. The momentum of that first play of a drive (and even a game) has a big determination on not only the ability to have more viable options from a play calling standpoint, but also has an effect on the psyche of the players (especially when snowballing) meaning stupid penalties, incorrect blocking assignments, wrong routes AND LOCKING IN ON ONE TARGET, all happen. When you lose confidence in other's ability to block out the negative, you revert to what you know best - and that goes for Cutler, Tice, Forte (he isn't very patient this year), and fringe players like AJ (using his physical attributes to win matchups rather than route running/speed).
Since we won the other day, I honestly believe that we will have Lovie again next year...whether we win on Sunday or not. If that happens, I fully expect to see more comfort from all parties with the offense, and an improvement. No I don't expect to lead the league, but I would expect to have us in the middle of the pack.
Then the question becomes has the window shut on the defense & special teams being good enough to make a middling offense team a true contender. We don't have that right now.
The only thing "continuous" about the Bears' offense is how BAD it has been and how CONSISTENTLY BAD it has been year after year. Have we ever finished in just the top half of the NFL offensively during the tenure of Lovie Smith or any of his OC's??? No. Usually we finish well towards the bottom.
Yes, there have been player talent-level issues that contributed (and still are), not denying that one bit. But, even with the OL woes this year (a fair bit of which falls directly on Lovie-Tice too), can you tell me how an offense that has Cutler, Forte, Bush, Marshall, Jeffery, Bennett, and a defense that takes the ball away frequently......
....can possibly be THIS BAD????????
That is far too simplistic .
Surely we are all more intelligent that that, after all these years of suffering through bad offenses.
People may not agree with me (and that's fine) but I firmly believe we will never have a great offense in Chicago, until we fix the offensive line.
All of the coaches and great skill players cannot overcome a weak foundation - a bad oline.
I want to see this offense behind a great offensive line. Throw in a TE who can catch, and replace Hester with a guy who can run routes and catch a football - and I believe we will finally have a solid offense in Chicago. And until we do this, it won't matter how many coaches we rotate through Chicago. It will just be "more of the same" failed offenses.
Those two endeavors are not mutually exclusive. You can upgrade your player roster and your coaching staff all at the same time. Doing one doesn't make the other less necessary or possible. It's hardly unprecedented. San Fran went from terrible to SB contenders in short order by aggressively fixing BOTH.
Lovie, Tice, and several O position coaches need to go. In January. That clown school of a coaching staff won't win the Kentucky Derby no many how many thoroughbreds you put in their stable.