Roster Mismanagement Still a Problem for Bears..........

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Originally Posted by JustAnotherBearsFan99

That sums it up for me too Soul. Lovie is the very definition of mediocrity. He just doesn't seem capable of taking us to the elite level. We've had some good teams with him as head coach. We haven't had Detroit-like bad seasons. But we can't get over the hump to a Super Bowl win.

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This is the big difference I see between the Packers and the Bears. Even without the same degree of depth the Packer backline finds a way to rise to the occasion. Down two games to the Bears at mid season and beginning to lose key players like Jennings and Nelson on offense Jones and Cobb step up and there is never a panic. Just a stubborn persistence that comes from going out each week and playing at a level that's 100% or more of what they're capable of. Even behind a line almost as bad as our own they find a way to score points and Capers always finds a way to structure a defense that can stop our offense.

In recent memory the Bears have twice been in command of their own destiny and have twice let the Packers dictate the outcome. Before this year I may have said there were some differences in the talent level of the two teams. Not huge differences but enough on the offensive side of the ball to know that the Packers would always hold an edge until that gap closed. I think Phil Emery did just about as much as he could do in a single year to close that gap yet the results have been the same. They still hold a decided edge.

If I'm Phil Emery, hell even if I'm me, you really can't find any place else to credit that edge than to superior coaching and by simply watching the two teams play it pops out like a boil on your behind. Lovie gets out coached every time the two teams meet and has been for several years now. So if we've already closed much of the talent gap from a player standpoint what's left?

When Lovie came to town his sworn objective was to take possession of the NFC back from the Packers and put the Bears in the captain's chair and for a while he did that then along came the Mike McCarthy/Aaron Rodgers and their crafty refusal to lose games by playing into Lovie's turnover scheme on defense. Ever since then they've been in the captain's chair and we've been swapping their decks.

Along comes Phil Emery entrusted with closing the talent gap so that management and ownership could make a fair judgement about whether the problems were related to talent or coaching. I don't know about you guys but it seems to me that this year they got their answer.

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Originally Posted by soulman

This is the big difference I see between the Packers and the Bears. Even without the same degree of depth the Packer backline finds a way to rise to the occasion. Down two games to the Bears at mid season and beginning to lose key players like Jennings and Nelson on offense Jones and Cobb step up and there is never a panic. Just a stubborn persistence that comes from going out each week and playing at a level that's 100% or more of what they're capable of. Even behind a line almost as bad as our own they find a way to score points and Capers always finds a way to structure a defense that can stop our offense.

In recent memory the Bears have twice been in command of their own destiny and have twice let the Packers dictate the outcome. Before this year I may have said there were some differences in the talent level of the two teams. Not huge differences but enough on the offensive side of the ball to know that the Packers would always hold an edge until that gap closed. I think Phil Emery did just about as much as he could do in a single year to close that gap yet the results have been the same. They still hold a decided edge.

If I'm Phil Emery, hell even if I'm me, you really can't find any place else to credit that edge than to superior coaching and by simply watching the two teams play it pops out like a boil on your behind. Lovie gets out coached every time the two teams meet and has been for several years now. So if we've already closed much of the talent gap from a player standpoint what's left?

When Lovie came to town his sworn objective was to take possession of the NFC back from the Packers and put the Bears in the captain's chair and for a while he did that then along came the Mike McCarthy/Aaron Rodgers and their crafty refusal to lose games by playing into Lovie's turnover scheme on defense. Ever since then they've been in the captain's chair and we've been swapping their decks.

Along comes Phil Emery entrusted with closing the talent gap so that management and ownership could make a fair judgement about whether the problems were related to talent or coaching. I don't know about you guys but it seems to me that this year they got their answer.

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I think it's BOTH talent AND coaching. Emery can fix both. I hope he's decisive. I'd rather Emery pull the plug now, even if they gut the coaching staff and team (rebuilding) than to die the endless death of mediocrity.

Well ... the article points out how much money they've wasted on players , so why should cutting ties w Lovie with 1yr left on his contract be a big deal ? All the talk about how the Bears might not want to pay Lovie and a new HC makes some sense . But basically wasting another year leaving Lovie as the HC makes even less sense .

And , when you boil it down , adding new weapons on offense ( Chester Taylor , Michael Bush etc ) means / meant NOTHING - when there's no line to make it work . Matter of fact , new HC or not .... nothing is gonna change until the line gets fixed .

And don't kid yourself - Lovie has had tons of power , and his defense first attitude is going to prevail around here until he's ousted . Make the move or expect the same results . It's ridiculous .

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Originally Posted by JustAnotherBearsFan99

I think it's BOTH talent AND coaching. Emery can fix both. I hope he's decisive. I'd rather Emery pull the plug now, even if they gut the coaching staff and team (rebuilding) than to die the endless death of mediocrity.

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That's a little of what's happening isn't it. And that sad part is about half the team seems content with that. With playing just good enough to pull out wins against teams we should easily beat but really don't beat all that easily.

In reality this team has been steeped in mediocrity for several years and always seems to stall out short of what they need to do to go all the way. The best way to describe it is with that old bugaboo description, "they choke". In my world that's on the coaches. That not being prepared and confident of victory. That's not believing in your system or you ability to win within it.

The defense never seems to have that problem. Just the offense yet Cutler says he dislikes the idea of another new OC. Well we ain't winnin' with the one we've got so I don't see much other choice Jay. Let's not defend what is indefensible. Your offense sucked this year. Even though it was just year one it has to be better than 14 points per game with the talent available.

Sorry but you do get a new OC and quite possibly a new HC as well.

Personnel decisions that baffle me.

K.Davis, D.Manning, endless DE's, Chris Williams, endless Safeties, Spencer, Omyfail, 3 o-lineman drafted in the top 4 rounds since Lovie came to Chicago.
Greg Olsen is the biggest mistake, I do realize that we used the 3 rounder to get Marshall, but i think we could have worked another deal out, Miami was ready to get rid of him.

Olsen was a go to guy for Cutler. Olsen, Jeffery, and Marshall look like it would be really good right now.

other then the marshal move I am not impressed with Emery at all. But it is his first year and he was stuck with lovie so Im willing to give this two more offseasons that it deserves. But I will still criticize foolish ass moves and non moves like ignoring the oline to sign backups and scrubs