Thread: State of the NFC-N

Originally Posted by JustAnotherBearsFan99

The point is, they have him. They will continue to have him in the foreseeable future.

The team was a joke (IMHO) before Frazier arrived. They had AP before Frazier was HC and they were still a joke. Under Leslie Frazier they are a team on the rise. And they could very well replace the Pack at the top in a year or two.

I think "foreseeable future" makes it sounds quite a bit more foreboding than it is... The window for elite RB's to be at the top of their game has gotten extremely small and he is already 7 years or so in the league. Plus, we're not saying they won't have AP, we are saying that it is very unlikely for AP to duplicate his performance this season since it was (IMO) the best ever by an RB. If AP rushes for 1600 yards that's still a really good season but this team finishes at least 2 games worse.

You said this Vikings team has more than AP. Who? Like I said, it's very unlikely that Percy Harvin has a long term future with this team.

Originally Posted by JustAnotherBearsFan99

The point is, they have him. They will continue to have him in the foreseeable future.

The team was a joke (IMHO) before Frazier arrived. They had AP before Frazier was HC and they were still a joke. Under Leslie Frazier they are a team on the rise. And they could very well replace the Pack at the top in a year or two.

He's not a young pup by any means, and they've basically ridden on his shoulders his entire career, as did his college team. More mileage on a RB generally = shorter career. He has a few seasons left max before it all starts catching up to him.

Originally Posted by JustAnotherBearsFan99

I disagree about your comment on the Vikings. They are more than just AP.

You are right. AP and Jarred Allen. Nothing else.

Originally Posted by JustAnotherBearsFan99

We can agree to disagree on this. AP is not your typical RB. He's shown that. They said he was done when he had the devastating knee injury ("oh, he'll never be the same player again").

Of course he came back and dominated again. The man is a machine. Precision, power, speed & smart. He'll be around for awhile longer. To me that is the "foreseeable future" but heck, let's just see what happens.

The people who think the Vikings are just a fluke, and not for real under Frazier, are in denial. But talk is cheap, let's just watch what he does with the Vikes over the next few seasons.

I agree that AP is a monster. Last night, I thought I saw AP stiff arm two defenders at one time, with the second guy flying backwards after the push. Frazier has put a good team together, but the team is fully dependent on AP. And he just went crazy this year. He is awesome, but I dont know if his performance this year is something repeatable, esp with him being in the league for so long.

IMO, the Bears need a solid O-line, and we can see how far this team will go. I still dont understand why Tice was promoted.

Benj what they have that the Bears don't is a OL. The Beras might match up better everywhere else(minus RB) but that OL is key to making the playoffs. And Lovie has failed to recognize it, fix it, develop it, or hire someone that could. All of that is on him b/c he's the HC, he's in charge of the staff, the players and their development, and eventually the teams success.

His failure of the OL has lead to the failure of the team, and it should be the primary reason he is jettisoned from HH, along w/the rest of his staff.

I would say a lot of blame for the line goes on Emery this year. Even from afar he had to know the OL was shit. And he did nothing. The great scout, the man who says the proof is in the tape sat by with a crap OL.