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    "Lovie's time has run out with Bears" - Good read.

    Good read. Loved the comment on the B.Marsh acquisition being lipstick on a pig.


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    Lovie's time has run out with Bears

    Someone has to take the blame, and it shouldn't be another coordinator


    DETROIT -- The Chicago Bears are not a playoff team. After weeks of rumors, Deep Purple confirmed it as fact.
    Minnesota Vikings running back Adrian Peterson ran roughshod over the Bears' postseason dreams in Minnesota, hours after the Bears barely took care of the Detroit Lions.

    This was a just ending, a lousy win over a lousy team in a cold, gray city and no help from the Green Bay Packers.

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    Andrew Weber/USA TODAY SportsLovie Smith's Bears became the first team since the 1996 Redskins to miss the playoffs after starting the season 7-1.


    Asked if the team's critics, which is to say everyone outside of Halas Hall, were correct in saying the Bears didn't deserve to make the playoffs, defensive tackle Henry Melton was brutally honest.

    "Who does?" he said. "Is there a 10-6 team that really deserves to be in?"

    Not this 10-6 team, that's for sure. Especially after that freefall to start the second half of their season. The Bears barely beat the Lions, 26-24, in an ugly game Sunday. Hours later, they watched their season end on team buses after flying home.

    Now, the real waiting game begins. For general manager Phil Emery, it's time to put his stamp on the franchise.
    Bears coach Lovie Smith's future is the story now. He has one year left on a lucrative contract. The Bears have missed the playoffs five times in the past six seasons.

    How long can it take to evaluate his career? It's not as cut-and-dried as his detractors would argue, but the math is simple. Five missed opportunities is greater than 10 wins.

    Smith is an excellent leader of men, a fine defensive coach and an authority figure who will have to take the hit for nearly a decade of offensive incompetence. That's not to say a replacement would be better. Every season you see good assistants become terrible head coaches. Smith was a good assistant and a good head coach, but with his contract a major factor, it might be time to cut him.

    The NFL is a brutal business, as dozens of players Smith has cut can tell you.

    Before their fate was sealed, several Bears talked about the possibility of missing the playoffs.

    "It'll be a major disappointment because we brought this on ourselves," said Tim Jennings, who had another interception Sunday, his ninth of the season.

    It wasn't Jennings' fault or anyone else's on the defense. Once again, you can pin a disappointing Bears season on the offense, or lack thereof.

    The addition of Brandon Marshall was just lipstick on a pigskin for an offense at the bottom of the league. Just like adding Cutler hasn't turned this Flintstones franchise into a Jetsons offense.

    Something drastic has to happen to give this franchise a competent, let alone formidable offense. You can fire Mike Tice as offensive coordinator, but who is to say Smith can hire a capable replacement? It hasn't happened yet. If Smith doesn't get a contract extension, there is no chance anyone will come here.
    Coordinators don't last that long with Cutler, as it is.

    Simply put, former general manager Jerry Angelo, the man responsible for the surfeit of bad draft picks over the year, is already fired, so Smith is next in line.

    All these problems start at the top with the McCaskey family. If they knew football, like say the Rooney family or the Mara family knows football, it would be different. But they don't, and now it's Emery's job to figure out what to do.

    There are so many questions lingering, and as Angelo famously said, we need solutions.

    In a normal season, Smith wouldn't get fired for 10 wins. But with one year left on his contract, do you let him play out his deal in a market where his job will dominate the conversation? Not that he has a problem asserting his authority, but how much power can Smith have when he's in a lame duck year?

    Do you keep the status quo, extend Smith two years and hope the Bears can hire a better offensive coordinator, find better linemen, and proactively restock the defense with young players? Or do you say nine years is long enough and it's time to part ways?


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    Jay Cutler completed passes to six different receivers in Sunday's win over the Lions.


    Does Emery, who deserves some blame in his first year for not upgrading the offensive line, keep Smith because he respects his "body of work," as he intimated on the team's pregame show? How much blame does Smith get for the annual offensive woes? He doesn't call the plays, but maybe that's part of the problem.

    The Bears have three high-priced offensive assets in Cutler, Marshall andMatt Forte. The league is trending toward high-powered offenses. It's time to bring in someone who knows how to score.

    Smith doesn't have many defenders outside of Halas Hall, but there is no sure bet that the next coach will be better than the man who is 84-66 as a head coach. While some find his style beguiling, it works for this team. As Lance Briggs said during the week, some players don't want to lose the atmosphere they have now.

    But what doesn't work is the offense, and if Emery fires Smith, it's because the coach has never quite figured out that part of the game and his talent evaluation has come into question. Smith, of course, is the guy who said Kellen Davis could be one of the best tight ends in football. He might be the worst.

    An argument for Smith to stay is an argument for stability, but that's impossible to achieve when you're changing offensive coordinators nearly every season.

    There is no evidence the offense will ever progress under Smith. It remains an absolute mess, from the offensive line play to the play calls to the decision-making.

    Take the Lions game, for example. The Bears had four takeaways but only converted one touchdown out of them, settling for three field goals. They went 4-for-15 on third downs and were 1-for-4 in the red zone. You can blame the offensive line only so much. Cutler was sacked twice Sunday, and he had a decent enough game. But once again, it wasn't enough.

    Cutler's best play was a 19-yard scramble on third-and-3 late in the fourth quarter. Marshall's best play was a block to spring Earl Bennett on a bubble screen that turned into a 60-yard score.

    Good plays aside, no one looks at this offense and says, "Yeah, they can beat anyone in January."


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    When Smith was asked if he were concerned about the offense, he said, "We have some things to correct, but we're always trying to get a little better. … This isn't a day to have that approach. Too much going on."
    If this were the end of LovieBall, his defense went out with a bang, forcing one fumble, picking up another and intercepting Matthew Stafford.

    Late in the second quarter, Jennings got his league-leading ninth interception and returned it 31 yards.
    It would have meant sole possession of the NFL record for defensive touchdowns in a season, a fine coda to this Lovie song.

    Instead the Bears started a drive at the Lions' 23. Three plays later, the Bears were at the Lions' 22, kicking a field goal to go up 20-3. The Bears lost that cushion and had to sweat out what should have been an easy win.

    That is the duality of Lovie in a nutshell. He doesn't call the plays, but he calls the shots. Someone has to take the blame, and it can't just be another offensive coordinator.
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    Silver Lining for the Board if Smith Is Fired: No more lamenting about the coaches and finally some good, old-fashioned arguing about the choices being made, and I can say I'm fairly looking forward to that.

    This crap about Smith and his staff, season-after-season, has gotten very old.

    It's nearly as old as the McCaskey Incompetence Syndrome. Isn't there anyone in that family who knows something about running a pro sports franchise that can leap the heirarchy and take over?
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    Too much money to get rid of him and then hire another coach. He did go 10-6, not 6-10.

    Lovie will be a lame duck next year. But I think the pressure is on Emery to find an Offensive line worth a damn.


    If they do fire Lovie I could see them hiring Tice as the HC and Bates as the OC, in other words doing absolutely nothing to improve the team.


    I have tickets to go see the Ravens next week, so my football season is not quite over yet, but I'm already wondering what the FO will do to make the Bears a contender?

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    The money is a non issue since the Mc's are taking themselves out of the decision.

    I do not see any scenerio where it's HC Tice, OC Bates, DC Rod, or any of them as HC. It will be a brand spankin' new staff b/c Emery will want to bring in "his guy".

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    Silver Lining for the Board if Smith Is Fired: No more lamenting about the coaches and finally some good, old-fashioned arguing about the choices being made, and I can say I'm fairly looking forward to that.

    This crap about Smith and his staff, season-after-season, has gotten very old.

    It's nearly as old as the McCaskey Incompetence Syndrome. Isn't there anyone in that family who knows something about running a pro sports franchise that can leap the heirarchy and take over?
    That talk will only be equaled or excelled by why the F is Tice still here. Allow me to be the first: seriously WTF
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    I don't want to hijack the thread, but I also don't want 100+ fire lovie threads/articles out there either, and this is a good one, pretty much sums up all my feelings about Lovie.


    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports...7467500.column

    Later for Lovie
    Bears coach Lovie Smith answers questions after Sunday's win over Detroit. (Nuccio DiNuzzo/Tribune Photo / December 30, 2012)
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    7:29 p.m. CST, December 30, 2012

    The Chicago Bears' season is over. Same goes for Lovie Smith’s run as Bears coach. Has to be.
    Smith has to be fired.
    Today.
    Get on with it. If the Bears are serious about winning the Super Bowl, there’s no other choice.
    The Bears missed the playoffs this season after starting 7-1. That’s two straight seasons of sitting out because of late-season chokes. That’s five of the last six seasons the Bears have missed the playoffs. That’s enough.
    After nine years of failing to win the Super Bowl, that absolutely, positively has to be enough of Smith.
    Not only have Smith’s teams not won the Super Bowl, but one of them lost an NFC Championship game at home.
    How much more does Phil Emery need to see?
    On Sunday, the Bears general manager saw a miserable Bears offense, a problem that has dogged Smith for one fired offensive coordinator after another. Even in beating the Lions 26-24 to keep alive their playoffs hopes that the Vikings killed with an upset of Green Bay, the Bears' offense was a whole lot of miserable with several slices of brutal.
    The Bears' defense and special teams forced four turnovers, and what did the offense do with them? Three stinkin’ field goals and one measly touchdown. Matt Forte was the wise guy who actually got into the end zone.
    Arguably, the one good drive the Bears mounted was the one that ran out the clock, and naturally, it didn’t result in a touchdown.
    The offense got into the end zone once in four drives that reached the red zone, and of course the Bears wasted timeouts like they had bonuses clauses.
    You know what else? Despite forcing three turnovers, Smith’s defense was stung for three 80-yard drives by a Lions team that had to be looking for reasons to quit.
    It wasn’t as painful as Seattle rookie Russell Wilson’s consecutive drives that shredded the Bears in an overtime loss at home, but it speaks to the age and faltering ability of the side of the ball that Smith knows something about.
    The defense is getting older and worse, and that was the unit that saved everything. Special teams also did its share to deordorize offensive issues that Smith never got right over the years, but even that unit disappointed this season, starting with the soon-to-be-gone Devin Hester.
    Blame also needs to be spread to the assistant coaches, but who hired them?
    The players should get some blame, as well, and maybe they couldn’t reach the playoffs under any coach, but they didn’t reach the playoffs under Smith.
    Again.
    How could Emery look at this situation and think it will be all better under Smith when it’s only getting worse?
    He can’t.
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    I hope Lovie's gone. I realize not many teams fire a coach after a 10-6 season, but at the same time, not many teams collapse like this and miss the Playoffs altogether after starting 7-1. This is also 5 out of 6 years where the Bears have not made the Playoffs. How many coaches keep their job under those circumstances? If your Franchise has Super Bowl aspirations, then mediocrity should no longer be acceptable.

    I appreciate what Lovie's done with this team defensively over the years, but the NFL is now an offensive driven league and you simply cannot win with a bottom tier offense anymore. It's time for a change and I hope Emery has the power & balls to make that change.

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    That is the duality of Lovie in a nutshell. He doesn't call the plays, but he calls the shots. Someone has to take the blame, and it can't just be another offensive coordinator.


    And there is the whole thing in a nutshell. The players who and coaching that hurt this team the most this year were the ones who Lovie has stuck up for and stubbornly refused to alter his plan for them following failure after failure on their part. And who were they? All of them, every one of them played or coached on the offensive side of the ball.

    Hester, Davis, Webb, in fact the entire line, and even Cutler continued to struggle trying to run another offense that wouldn't work with the personnel around him (or mostly in front of him) created by a rookie OC and play caller. That was the most pathetic offensive display I've seen since Terry Shea was OC. Those who can play couldn't stay healthy and those who stayed healthy can't play. Lovie seems to be totally inept as far as judging offensive talent or coaches.

    The NFL is driven by high powered offenses and no team can afford to have a HC as far distant from an understanding of offensive football as Lovie is. I've said this all along. The ONLY way this works if Lovie is retained is for Phil Emery to get actively involved in hiring and OC who can build an offense around talent like Cutler, Marshall, Forte and a cast of pretty fair support players like Bush, Bennett, and Jeffery. There is too much offensive talent there for it to be wasted even one more year. Cutler has a contract extension due and the only way we're ever gonna be able to evaluate whether he's the guy to go on with is to get an offense around him that actually works for a change. Novel idea huh?

    So if your Phil Emery what do you do? You can't leave Tice in charge of that offense a day longer than you have to and if you don't believe you have a guy in Jeremy Bates who can get the job done then you have only two choices. 1) You fire Lovie and retain who you can from his staff if that's acceptable to he new HC, or 2) You declare your support, grant Lovie a two year extension and get your ass busy finding him an OC who'll build an offense for him because he sure as hell hasn't been able to do it himself!

    There are all kind of reasons why it would be nice to see option two work out but man that's a tough one. Lovie has become his own worst enemy and the real question is would he ever step aside far enough to allow option two and even more importantly is he capable of becoming a better tactician on game day as shorty pointed out in another thread. Is Lovie capable of being just a little less stubborn as far as adapting on the fly. His defense got a lot of turnovers and scored a lot of points this year but they've also been gored badly in the second half of a few games and couldn't make the big stops when they had to.

    If I'm Phil Emery I'm not sure I know what the best course of action is either. If I were a betting man I'd say he postpones and unpopular decision amongst his players keeps him and tries to figure out just who to put in charge of that offense next year. That's the safe bet. But somehow I don't think that's the way it's gonna come out. I think this is where we reach a nexus. Is this Lovie Smith's team for the benefit of his defensive standouts or is this Phil Emery's team for the benefit of his reputation as a GM and for the benefit of Bears fans who are about ready to mutiny if something doesn't change and change for the better very quickly.
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    Too much money to get rid of him and then hire another coach. He did go 10-6, not 6-10.

    Lovie will be a lame duck next year. But I think the pressure is on Emery to find an Offensive line worth a damn.


    If they do fire Lovie I could see them hiring Tice as the HC and Bates as the OC, in other words doing absolutely nothing to improve the team.


    I have tickets to go see the Ravens next week, so my football season is not quite over yet, but I'm already wondering what the FO will do to make the Bears a contender?
    But you know the level of play overall was closer to that of 6-10 team than a 10-6 team. Once you look at all the defensive scoring and turnovers that made it a lot easier on the offense most games you see the reality of it.

    That's not gonna be repeated a second time so without an offense we'd be lucky to finish 6-10 next year and if there aren't major changes made that's exactly where we're heading.
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    We can make the case for firing lovie and have done so for years. The only thing IMO that has ever stood in the way are the mckaskeys whether its cause they are incompetent or cheap asses I don't feel like arguing that point. I don't see them firing him. We have seen the dog and pony show after disappointing seasons over and over and no real changes are made



    If by some miracle they fire him I hope they keep marineli until they decide on who the next hc is

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