However, does anyone else find it peculiar that he was a FINE O-Line coach UNTIL he arrived in Chicago?
A head coach he is not.
An offensive coordinator he is not.
His record as an O-Line coach BEFORE he was hired in Chicago is very good. From 1997-2001, the Viking offense under Brian Billick, Ray Sherman, & Sherman Lewis was solid and in some cases, AMAZING. This is a list of the major contributors of the O-Line players in order of the round they were selected...
Round 1:
Todd Steussie - No. 19 - Drafted by Minnesota in 1994
Randall McDaniel - No. 19 - Drafted by Minnesota in 1988
Korey Stringer - No. 24 - Drafted by Minnesota in 1995
Round 4:
Jeff Christy - No. 91 - Signed as a FA by Minnesota in 1993
Round 5:
Brad Badger - No. 162 - Signed as a FA by Minnesota in 2000
Round 6:
Corbin Lacina - No. 167 - Signed as a FA by Minnesota in 1999
Matt Birk - No. 173 - Drafted by Minnesota in 1998
Round 7:
Chris Liwienski - No. 207 - Signed as a FA by Minnesota in 1999
Round 9:
David Dixon - No. 232 - Signed as a FA by Minnesota in 1994
Someone draft a list of the Bears' 1st round picks and find 3 great offensive linemen. Once you've done that find me some time along the Bears' draft history where they drafted two O-Linemen in consecutive years like Steussie and Stringer. Outside of the three 1st rounders the majority of those guys were drafted in later rounds by other teams. So, that would indicate that Mike Tice CAN coach offensive linemen.For some reason, many of you have these great expectations from this team because there are a handful of very good skill players on the offense like Cutler, Forte, & Marshall. Even with all of the talent that those three possess their destinies are tied to the five guys up front. The five guys up front just aren't that good. Ultimately, if you don't commit to improving a part of your team with talented players that part of your team will suffer.
Please spare me from the talk about if Tice said he could win with those five guys that they should be better. Had he said anything else, most of you would've bashed Tice for diminishing the very guys he was supposed to coach up! There is not one of us that views Bears practice consistently, works in the Bears front office, or knows 10% as much about football as Mike Tice does. From our standpoint, there is just no way to KNOW why each decision was made by anyone on the coaching staff. Maybe Tice did voice concern about his line but was told that he would make it work. Maybe Tice ranted and raved up and down Halas Hall that he could make that line work. We will NEVER KNOW.
A chef is only as good as his ingredients.
Good post, Purple. What got me with Tice is his history has shown that he DOES KNOW how to develop OLineman. With that, his playing and coaching experience also indicated he should have had a better grasp of OC. The guy has been all offense playing, and coaching multiple positions, his entire career.
What the hell happened here? I'm sure not one to guess, but overall talent is an easy answer. Another answer that is more troubling, is that Tice got arrogant, and his ego got it the way. I hope not the latter, but that is troubling to think that he may have believed his own resume. It's one thing to be confident in your abilities, but another to be too proud to admit you're doing it wrong.
Good post, Purple. What got me with Tice is his history has shown that he DOES KNOW how to develop OLineman. With that, his playing and coaching experience also indicated he should have had a better grasp of OC. The guy has been all offense playing, and coaching multiple positions, his entire career.
What the hell happened here? I'm sure not one to guess, but overall talent is an easy answer. Another answer that is more troubling, is that Tice got arrogant, and his ego got it the way. I hope not the latter, but that is troubling to think that he may have believed his own resume. It's one thing to be confident in your abilities, but another to be too proud to admit you're doing it wrong.
Tice broke every rule in the book for developing an OL while he was here in Chicago. I've watched over a half century of Bears football, and can never remember seeing players on the oline flipped around so much to new positions. It seemed like ever week or every other week, we had a new lineup. Tackles became guards, guards became tackles, guards became centers, guys who performed well (very well) at a position were pulled and made to play out-of-position, players who stunk were made starters, players who performed well (like C.Will, our best 2011 lineman when he was our LG) were cut from the team. J'Marcus Webb, who requires a small army of helper blockers is made into our LT.
I'm sorry. I saw NOTHING in Mike Tice to make me believe he is a decent OL coach. Nothing. Maybe he had more pixie dust at former teams. Here? I just saw a toilet of crap.
Tice broke every rule in the book for developing an OL while he was here in Chicago. I've watched over a half century of Bears football, and can never remember seeing players on the oline flipped around so much to new positions. It seemed like ever week or every other week, we had a new lineup. Tackles became guards, guards became tackles, guards became centers, guys who performed well (very well) at a position were pulled and made to play out-of-position, players who stunk were made starters, players who performed well (like C.Will, our best 2011 lineman when he was our LG) were cut from the team. J'Marcus Webb, who requires a small army of helper blockers is made into our LT.
I'm sorry. I saw NOTHING in Mike Tice to make me believe he is a decent OL coach. Nothing. Maybe he had more pixie dust at former teams. Here? I just saw a toilet of crap.
Exactly, but he had success before. So, what caused him to fail at his competency here in Chicago. Maybe a combination of lesser talent than he had in MN, coupled with his propensity to work his magic on them. In the end, I believe he thought too highly of his ability to "build" OLineman.
Exactly, but he had success before. So, what caused him to fail at his competency here in Chicago. Maybe a combination of lesser talent than he had in MN, coupled with his propensity to work his magic on them. In the end, I believe he thought too highly of his ability to "build" OLineman.
The last trime I checked only Jesus could turn water into wine.
Exactly, but he had success before. So, what caused him to fail at his competency here in Chicago. Maybe a combination of lesser talent than he had in MN, coupled with his propensity to work his magic on them. In the end, I believe he thought too highly of his ability to "build" OLineman.
If Tice was a OL guru in a previous life, then I would suggest that before he came here, he did not try to DO the stupid moves he tried to pull here. If we get in a decent guy to coach our offensive line - who knows OL coaching, we may see that we do have a few guys here, who can play. Guys who struggled under Tice.
Heck, it may be as simple as letting a guy play at ONE position, and learn it, and excelling there. No more flip-flopping guys to play them out of position. Imagine that.
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If Tice was a OL guru in a previous life, then I would suggest that before he came here, he did not try to DO the stupid moves he tried to pull here. If we get in a decent guy to coach our offensive line - who knows OL coaching, we may see that we do have a few guys here, who can play. Guys who struggled under Tice.
Heck, it may be as simple as letting a guy play at ONE position, and learn it, and excelling there. No more flip-flopping guys to play them out of position. Imagine that.
The Raiders expressed an interest in Tice last year for HC, but his name isn't on anyone's radar this year that I'm aware. The jig is up on him, and I hope he isn't ordering new carpet and paint for his office at Halas Hall. I expect him to end up back as a position coach somewhere like Jacksonville where he left (actually he was Asst HC/TE coach there right before he came here). Either way, he'll probably go on to work somewhere else, unlike Martz who will probably never adorn a NFL sideline again.
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