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    Firing Lovie was just the start (GOOD READ)

    Interesting points. What do you guys think?


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    Firing Lovie was just the start

    Now that Black Monday has come and gone in Halas' halls, what now? What next?

    We now know (officially) that being four games over .500 (10-6) is not good enough when you come in third in the strongest division in the NFC. But looking deep into the issues that really led to the Bears' underachieving season and looking deeper into what they need to do next, the realization that firing Lovie Smith is not the answer ... just the beginning.

    Phil Emery has his work cut out for him if he's going to turn the Bears into a Super Bowl contender.

    If the Bears don't want to experience this again, another seasonal second half of self-imposed, self-inflicted, self-duplicating humiliation, they need to -- along with replacing Smith with someone of supreme competence and judgment as head coach -- do some of the following moving forward:

    Trade Devin Hester (while he still has value and/or before he retires)

    Hester has become a nonfactor in everything the Bears have asked him to do on both offense and special teams. No one is sure who to blame for this or where to put their finger on exactly what happened, but the Devin Hester we once knew and fell in love with is gone. Has been for a few years now. The next coach has to realize the obvious: Brandon Marshall, Earl Bennett, Alshon Jeffery, Kellen Davis and Matt Forte out of the backfield are enough receiving options for the Bears to work with; therefore, trading the one-time "lock" for the Hall of Fame has to be the new necessity.

    Get at least one superstar for the O-Line (maybe two)

    Since the arrival of Jay Cutler, the screams for an upgrade to the offensive line to give him proper, Drew Brees-like protection, has been nonstop. This will not be easy. NFL teams covet offensive linemen like Bravo does chefs and housewives. (In ESPN The Magazine's 2012 NFL preview, it cited the offensive line as worst unit on 11 of the NFL's 32 teams.) The Bears really need to go after a perennial Pro Bowl lineman and offer him a Cutler/Marshall/Peppers-comparable contract. Either attract someone whose contract is up for discussion (Jake Long) or try to use existing/expendable players on the Bears' roster to make a deal with teams that have good-to-great players on the offensive line (i.e., Cleveland, Buffalo, Kansas City) who are going to waste away because the teams they play for are so sorry. We found out the hard way this year that J'Marcus Webb and Gabe Carimi aren't gonna make it as the cornerstone linemen who will allow the offense the time it needs to thrive. To say an "upgrade" at this position is needed is an epic understatement.

    Get Matt Forte some ankle-strengthening therapy

    It seems like every game Forte's ankles are getting injured. He's becoming the Vince Carter of the NFL. It's obvious something is not right and something needs to be done. If his problem is chronic, cool. As long as we know what we're dealing with, we can deal with it. But watching Adrian Peterson do what he did this year and watching Alfred Morris do what he did didn't help Forte's cause at all. He's an ankle injury away from either the "damaged goods" or "soft" tag being permanently placed on him. Or worse, both.

    Find/acquire a Tim Jennings-type (young, hungry, under 30) at LB in case Urlacher doesn't come back ... or even if he does

    This would solidify the defense and keep it as one of the best in the league in the second half of the season as opposed to just the first half, as has been the case the past two years. Brian Urlacher may/will (choose carefully) never be the face-of-the-franchise-level player he once was, and how much more can they ask of Lance Briggs before he wants another restructuring of his contract? This is equal to a defensive security policy. Lure that player here the same way they did Jennings in the offseason last season, and the 49ers and Seahawks won't be the only teams in the NFC this time next year that have offensive coordinators shook.

    Make sure that Cutler fully understands that he will be next season's Lovie Smith if the outcome is anything close to the same

    Just as the Bears showed that they had a no-excuse, zero-tolerance policy in place under the new Phil Emery regime with Smith, the front office needs to let the franchise QB know that just like Tony Romo in Dallas and Philip Rivers in San Diego, next season will be his all-or-nothing, one-and done, lame-duck-unless-you-make-the-Pro Bowl season with the organization if they don't play at least one game in January. Plain and simp. Those are the terms. Yes, the Bears may need to go out and get a better backup than Jason Campbell to let Jay know they are serious (Alex Smith, anyone?), but they have to make it clear that the no-excuse, zero-tolerance policy next season is all on him.

    If the Bears do all of this (plus a few extra unmentioned and unmentionables) we won't be sitting around Chicago on New Year's Day next year wondering, "What the hell just happened?"
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    All of that sounds good, but they will never make an ultimatum on cutler, his job is safe even if he plays poorly next year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustAnotherBearsFan99 View Post
    Interesting points. What do you guys think?





    Trade Devin Hester (while he still has value and/or before he retires)

    Too late. He has no value anymore. Kickers aren't really kicking away from him anymore, and when he catches a ball, he runs backwards and gives up yardage. I may be a fake fan, but even I know he's worthless.

    Get at least one superstar for the O-Line (maybe two)

    This is #A#1 on the to-do list. One or two really good linemen puts Webb as swing and deep on the depth chart where he can't do so much damage. Garza's done also.


    Get Matt Forte some ankle-strengthening therapy

    Eh. He got his ankle rolled over early in the season, and it kept getting re-injured. Please don't compare him to AP. That guy is a freak of nature. I think he's wolverine with self-healing powers.



    Find/acquire a Tim Jennings-type (young, hungry, under 30) at LB in case Urlacher doesn't come back ... or even if he does

    This may be #2 on the list. Urlacher is a shell of his former self, even if his knee ever heals.



    Make sure that Cutler fully understands that he will be next season's Lovie Smith if the outcome is anything close to the same

    Eh. Cutler will be good enough if we can cut down on the pressures.


    If the Bears do all of this (plus a few extra unmentioned and unmentionables) we won't be sitting around Chicago on New Year's Day next year wondering, "What the hell just happened?"


    I would bet my left nut as well as my right one that the new HC won't be keeping Tice or Drake. Those two absolutely must be cut. Add in another decent corner to start taking over for Tillman, and maybe another D lineman to follow Peppers, and we should be good to go.

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    Yeah, Cutler won't be gone unless they think they have a better option.Oh, and 10-6 is only two games above .500... Not 4.

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    Trade Hester? lol Like there is any value there anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shark86x View Post
    I would bet my left nut as well as my right one that the new HC won't be keeping Tice or Drake. Those two absolutely must be cut. Add in another decent corner to start taking over for Tillman, and maybe another D lineman to follow Peppers, and we should be good to go.
    ...ain't that what Shea McClellnanashellahlie was drafted for...???
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    I won't take that bet on account of I really don't want to win either of your nuts. But I agree. After having no tolerance with Lovie, anyone that takes a look at the records of either of those two coaches (throw in the TE coach too) would be insane to depend on them to succeed at a SB run.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shark86x View Post
    I would bet my left nut as well as my right one that the new HC won't be keeping Tice or Drake. Those two absolutely must be cut. Add in another decent corner to start taking over for Tillman, and maybe another D lineman to follow Peppers, and we should be good to go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shark86x View Post
    I would bet my left nut as well as my right one that the new HC won't be keeping Tice or Drake. Those two absolutely must be cut. Add in another decent corner to start taking over for Tillman, and maybe another D lineman to follow Peppers, and we should be good to go.
    I don't see where Tice was this all-knowing, brilliant offensive line coach. All we read about was how brilliant the guy was. The pixie dust magic. I think that was all a bunch of crap. Just like the crap he gave us - and called his OL. People can defend him until the cows come home, but I'm not buying it. I never understood his moves with the players on the OL. I never understood how he took the #1 offensive lineman in America (Outland Trophy winner Gabe Carimi) and turned him into crap. I never understood why he continually played his players out of position. I never understood why he took the few "average" OL people who WERE playing halfway decent - and moved them to other positions (C.Will) and ultimately we lost them.....cut him.

    I could go on and on here.

    It was absolute madness, what he did to our olinemen. And in the end it killed our offense. I get angry every time I think about the many bonehead moves he made. I never saw the effects of the pixie dust. Just a crap oline.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3nagurski View Post
    ...ain't that what Shea McClellnanashellahlie was drafted for...???
    I thought Shillelagh was drafted to play opposite Peppers. I was looking for Pepper's replacement

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustAnotherBearsFan99 View Post
    I don't see where Tice was this all-knowing, brilliant offensive line coach. All we read about was how brilliant the guy was. The pixie dust magic. I think that was all a bunch of crap. Just like the crap he gave us - and called his OL. People can defend him until the cows come home, but I'm not buying it. I never understood his moves with the players on the OL. I never understood how he took the #1 offensive lineman in America (Outland Trophy winner Gabe Carimi) and turned him into crap. I never understood why he continually played his players out of position. I never understood why he took the few "average" OL people who WERE playing halfway decent - and moved them to other positions (C.Will) and ultimately we lost them.....cut him.

    I could go on and on here.

    It was absolute madness, what he did to our olinemen. And in the end it killed our offense. I get angry every time I think about the many bonehead moves he made. I never saw the effects of the pixie dust. Just a crap oline.


    I guess Tice blew smoke up our arses as much as Lovie's. He believed him and so did we. I think we finally saw through the smoke but Lovie never did. Or he was in a corner and had nowhere else to turn.

    I have to disagree with your comment on Tice's treatment of our o-line as madness. It was criminal. He has single-handedly ruined people's careers. He has ruined whatever chance Urlacher had at a SuperBowl. He may have caused permanent damage to Cutler's brain. Yet, he thinks he is a guru, and lets everybody know it. Tice is the definition of a meathead.

    There is nothing enticeing about Tice.

    Firing Tice will be justice.

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