Thread: Cutler rated the worst QB in the NFC-N, and 20th QBR in the NFL.

I don't know how this thread got to be a Ponder vs. Cutler thing. It wasn't meant to be.

Fans have a difficult time being objective. I don't think anyone is trashing Jay Cutler here. I don't think anyone is saying Ponder is the greatest thing since peanut butter. If you step back and try to be objective here, it looks like Cutler needs to be better, and he has admitted this in the past week. We have a lot of "issues" with our existing offense. Nobody here is disputing that. But in spite of this, Cutler does need to improve. Why is this so difficult to understand?

Ponder has improved as a QB. This past season he's improved to the point he is a tiny bit (marginally) better QB than Cutler. Deal with it.

I think some fans are still in denial that we are a 3rd place team now in the NFC-N. The Vikings moved past us this year. We are bottom feeders with Detroit. I think fans are struggling with this fact. Maybe THAT is part of this "Ponder/Cutler" thing.

The truth hurts.

Originally Posted by Sulleymon

a share of those guys: kaepernick, ponder, freeman, smith, and to a certain degree russell wilson, had to have the crap managed out of them to get where they are on that list.

it's like jason campbell having a similar historic passer rating to Cutler, that doesn't take into account that his coaches in oakland and washington had to spoon-feed him in oder to make him look passable. we all saw what campbell looked like in an offense that doesn't coddle, and it wasn't anywhere near good.

cutler was a zombie hunter operating in a burning building and no help coming. he was the offense. none of those other qbs i mentioned could stand on their own, they needed to be propped up.

That's a good point, and just one more reason why we need a new coaching staff. I really don't care what it takes to get results. I don't care about excuses either. Just the performance on the field. The Vikings are in the playoffs. Our guys will watch it all on TV.

The team has to get better. 3rd place in the NFC-N (again) is not acceptable.

Cutler isn't the problem. But yes, he too, has to get better. I am sick of being a bottom feeder team in the NFC-N.

Originally Posted by Sulleymon

i agree, cutler must get better, but he's really got everything we need except for the offensive structure. get that, and he's a top 10 quarterback, no question.

I definitely agree with you on that. But everyone, including Cutler, will need to step up their game if we truly want to be a Super Bowl contender. This is what it takes to go from a Lovie Smith-level (mediocre) team, to an elite team that can win a few Super Bowls.

Originally Posted by Riczaj01

who said that? I'm just not letting you give him a pass as part of the problem.

Giving a pass NO. Biggest problem FAR from it. STAT this stat that....phhhffff. WHY just bad Jay? Not to me everything around him didn't work. Hell BM was alot of bad forced throws, but thats all that was there. Take a Ferrari put four different size bald tires on it, smash the body up, and drain half the oil, and disable half the cylinders. Is it the cars fault it doesn't run like a top end one? No, it's the one whos in charge of maintenance and his staff. Want to win races with the car, fixed, you dont take it to the dragstrip and except it to win. You use it at what its good at. Jay need to get better YES, but man I sick the It's Jays Fault. As to Pounder LMFAO, AP put them where they are.

Originally Posted by JustAnotherBearsFan99

That's a good point, and just one more reason why we need a new coaching staff. I really don't care what it takes to get results. I don't care about excuses either. Just the performance on the field. The Vikings are in the playoffs. Our guys will watch it all on TV.

The team has to get better. 3rd place in the NFC-N (again) is not acceptable.

Cutler isn't the problem. But yes, he too, has to get better. I am sick of being a bottom feeder team in the NFC-N.

JC has problems with his mechanics, progressions(over targeting Marshall), and reads. He needs to improve. But by that same token we saw what someone else like Campbell couldn't do behind Tice and his turnstyles.

You speak of objectivity so what would be your plan of action? Should not the line be fixed and a better OC/HC found to be the most objective look at him? I believe JC would have done better with Martz another season objectively speaking.