Thread: Cutler's fundamentals `horrendous,' must change: Esiason

I'm going out on a limb here and saying his coach was Marshall as much as it was Drake.

Originally Posted by RochBear

Bennet? or perhaps Jeffery who seems to be making good rookie WR progress, ahead of most of his class.

Originally Posted by bearsinhouston

I'm going out on a limb here and saying his coach was Marshall as much as it was Drake.

Then.... Marshall is a horrible coach. Bennett took a few steps back.

Unless you meant Jeffery.... in which case might not be that great either if he can not properly teach the arm extension that he gets away with all the time, and allowed him to do it three times in one game without pulling him aside and telling him to stop....

But yes, Marshall would be a good on field teacher

IMO, most of the players regressed this year for some reason. Bennett did well when they actually used him. He had the drops more this year than he has in the past, but again, the whole team seemed to be off. As good as Marshall was, he dropped the ball a lot too. I think the biggest problem we had with Bennett was that we didn't throw to him enough.

Originally Posted by The Benjamin

Then.... Marshall is a horrible coach. Bennett took a few steps back.

Unless you meant Jeffery.... in which case might not be that great either if he can not properly teach the arm extension that he gets away with all the time, and allowed him to do it three times in one game without pulling him aside and telling him to stop....

But yes, Marshall would be a good on field teacher

Originally Posted by Riczaj01

Boomer points that out, and he says that he got broken back down and built up again w/the NYJ's, and his completion % bears that out, in cincy' it was always in the low to mid 50's, w/the Jets it was high 50's to low 60's.

But this is a different era, football for qb's was MUCH tougher in the 80's and 90's then it is now. high 50's and low 60's was good to great for qb's then. Now in the passer league era you better be mid to high 60's.
I also like how guys that critise a player, coach or team are told to shut up if they haven't played, and then we they did they are told to shut up b/c they weren't good enough.....right b/c Boomer wasn't a great qb regardless of his "poor mechanics" from wiki: "At his retirement in 1997 he was among the most prolific quarterbacks in NFL history, finishing in the top 10 in many statistical categories." Anyone think that Cutler is going to be a top 10 qb in nfl history?

Never said he wasn't a very good quarterback. He always had questionable mechanics, but still got the job done most of the time. Now, if Marino was saying the same thing,....

Jay Cutler is an average QB. Here is a list of better QBs. Most of which are being paid less.

RK PLAYER PASS EPA RUN EPA SACK EPA PEN EPA TOTAL EPA ACT PLAYS QB PAR QB PAA TOTAL QBR 1 Peyton Manning, DEN 116.6 1.4 -14.1 12.9 116.8 691 144.4 87.0 84.1 2 Tom Brady, NE 114.3 3.1 -16.6 8.3 109.2 739 129.0 67.6 77.1 3 Colin Kaepernick, SF 45.5 15.2 -11.8 -2.5 46.4 316 54.8 28.5 76.8 4 Matt Ryan, ATL 122.2 12.1 -25.4 5.5 114.4 717 117.6 58.1 74.5 5 Aaron Rodgers, GB 108.9 19.1 -39.0 13.8 102.9 726 113.4 53.2 72.5 6 Robert Griffin III, WSH 80.2 12.7 -20.3 7.4 80.1 589 89.6 40.8 71.4 7 Alex Smith, SF 41.7 3.7 -13.4 2.5 34.5 295 43.5 19.0 70.1 8 Russell Wilson, SEA 86.4 23.1 -27.4 6.2 88.2 588 85.6 36.8 69.6 9 Drew Brees, NO 108.0 -0.1 -20.0 -1.4 86.4 761 106.1 42.9 67.9 10 Eli Manning, NYG 74.0 1.2 -12.2 8.4 71.5 628 86.6 34.5 67.4 RK PLAYER PASS EPA RUN EPA SACK EPA PEN EPA TOTAL EPA ACT PLAYS QB PAR QB PAA TOTAL QBR 11 Andrew Luck, IND 73.4 21.1 -24.4 19.3 89.5 778 100.9 36.3 65.0 12 Ben Roethlisberger, PIT 88.8 5.3 -29.0 4.3 69.4 537 65.8 21.2 62.8 13 Tony Romo, DAL 120.4 1.2 -31.1 1.1 91.5 779 95.3 30.7 62.7 14 Matt Schaub, HOU 78.6 -1.2 -21.3 5.0 61.1 637 77.6 24.7 62.6 15 Matthew Stafford, DET 90.5 5.2 -21.1 7.8 82.4 846 93.3 23.1 58.9 16 Cam Newton, CAR 51.0 27.1 -26.7 4.4 55.8 698 66.9 9.0 54.2 17 Christian Ponder, MIN 44.2 7.9 -21.2 8.0 38.9 611 57.7 7.0 53.8 18 Josh Freeman, TB 65.1 2.8 -21.4 3.6 50.2 681 63.0 6.5 53.1 19 Ryan Tannehill, MIA 55.0 4.5 -24.2 10.8 46.2 624 56.1 4.3 52.3 20 Jay Cutler, CHI 39.9 16.4 -23.3 4.0 37.0 559 49.6 3.2 51.9

All you need to know about how stupid this list is, is it has Ponder above him.

Originally Posted by Ski-Whiz

In order for you to see Cutler's ability you have to look at his Denver days.

In Chicago our line has sucked and he has no WRs.

This year he's had a WR, but he's still running for his life.

Disagree he's just a bad QB in general. There are a lot worse offensive lines:

Name: Times Sacked: Passer Rating:
Kevin Kobb 22 89.7
Aaron Rodgers 21 96.9
Andy Dalton 15 92.9
Sam Bradford 15 78.6
Blaine Gabbert 15 73.3
Michael Vick 14 77.8
Phillip Rivers 14 93.1
Jay Cutler 14 78.1

Jay Cutler is just not a good QB. Stop hailing him as the savior. Too many excuses.