I gotta respect the NFL. They have everything anlayzed down to how tall someone should be for each position and how long their arms are and how a guy needs to throw a a ball to be successful. Now they even have fundamentals to compare to on how someone is supposed to throw when running for their lives. I'm sure they have it down to how the release should be when getting tackled from the left vs the right or straight on. They leave nothing to chance.
Jay isn't perfect. But why don't we see what happens with a good OL, a good coordinator and a better game plan. I would think most of the work put into fundamentals didn't go very far last year as you actually have to plant, which he doesn't have to to do many times. If he can't get it done with everything fixed around him, he will probably be gone.
As far as fundamentals, the guy can be facing backwards and launching from his a$$ as far as I'm concerned. Make the completion and score points. Bottom line.
Well, yeah Boomer, your fundamentals are going to tend to break down when you're running for your life all the time. Also, I think Cutler at his best is not a straight drop back pocket passer. He always looks sharper when he rolls out or at least slides up or to the the side. Having said that, there is certainly room for improvement and bad habits are still bad even if there's a logical cause for them to have developed.
Originally Posted by omc1969
Get him a LT who can pass protect, a TE who can threaten the middle, put Forte back in the mix as a receiver, and see how he does. If his fundamentals are still flawed, by all means, I hope the Bears address it with him and that Cutler isn't so much of a snot that he won't listen. I feel that the mere fact that Emery is target locked on offensive minded guys with backgrounds developing QBs as HC candidates bodes well for getting Cutler back on track. He is by far the most talented QB the Bears have had in my lifetime and I'm glad that we have a football man in charge who sees this and is actively working to maximize his chances for success. Angelo thought that merely acquiring a quality QB was all you had to do, and Lovie didn't know anything more about the position than to say it's the guy who puts his hands under the center's butt and says hut-hike. For the first time in DECADES, I feel this team is making the moves that scream out to be made.
Boomer is talking about Cutler's "fundamentals" needing improvement:
Here is Jay's "crapping himself" fundamental (definitely needs to improve):
....and here is his "Webb forgot to block" fundamental:
.....here is the "Tice is an oline guru" fundamental:
Here's Jay's "Concussion Fundamental"
.......I think Boomer should have to experience 3 years of the "Fundamentals" that Jay Cutler has had to experience since he's been a Chicago Bear. He'd love it. Nothing like pissing blood after a good game of "Fundamentals" behind this oline...
Boomer is right, the NFL recommends grimacing the opposite side of the tackle. Jay was obviously grimacing to the same side on that first one. He gets that down, he'll have more completions.
On the last one, look at his toes, they aren't even together. The guy has to get this stuff right.
Originally Posted by JustAnotherBearsFan99
Per usual, it's all the OL's fault. Guess what, more then not he was not hurried or sacked. 38 sacks 434+ attempts, lets assume that he's hurried 2x's as often as sacked(that's a big number and I doubt it was that often), 76+38 114 times out of 434 attempts. That leaves a solid 300 attempts where he was clean....what happened then?
Stop w/this idea that he'll be good enough just w/a OL or this or that. HE needs to improve or it won't matter.
I blame the Packers for Jays bad fundamentals.
I blame Jerry
Originally Posted by 4th and 26
I think the thing for the offense much of last year was that they didn't seem prepared. Hell, our very first series ended with a pick-six. At least, the wide receivers showed great potential, but were often injured and Marshall was grtting the ball anyway. I just wonder, in retrospect, if the regression of Cutler into often not looking past his first target and holding onto the ball were because the offense wasn't prepared in tc and practice to perform reasonably? I'm just saying if someone with a strong offensive philosophy came in, many of the dips in play last year could be fixed earlier in the season.
I completely agree. I don't think the O looked very prepared. I was actually thinking that just the other day. I was going actually say something about it, but Lovie is gone and I figured I'd just see what the new regime brought in. It was not a very fiery brand of football they were playing. Other than Marshall
Originally Posted by Henry Burris
Ding ding ding. There were a lot of times where he would try to go to his first read, find out it wasnt there, THEN, keep cocking his arm back until that first read became open?! By that time the whole defense just read his hand. Rarely do you see him manipulate the safeties or linebackers.
Originally Posted by Riczaj01
He cant read a defense folks! You cant say no one else was open because you dont know that unless your at the game watching from the 50yd line. We're not privy to game tape that coaches have to dissect. We're only following where the ball is going on TV. So to say that Bmarsh is the only one getting open is pure speculation.
There's no question on his talent. But if he's considered a franchise QB, than he has to do more. Right now he's average.