The only way that you win with a guy like Tebow is to build an entire offense around his skills and I don't know of many NFL coaches who would take that kind of risk on him. Maybe the best place for him would a team like Seattle where in a read option offense he might be useful as a backup to Wilson.
When he's on his game Tebow can be very hard to defend as a running QB but just like with Vick if you take that away from him he'll struggle to win consistently enough to be a starter. I don't believe anyone will ever turn him into your typical NFL style QB not even as a move guy in an average offensive scheme.
Personally I still think the guy could be turned into a hybrid RB/TE type. He's got the speed and power to be a decent back somewhat like Gearhart from Minny or like the FB we used to have, Brad Muster. Or you can flank him out to a slot position and use him as a receiver.
Right now he's a novelty player with this huge and very fanatical following as a QB but what he really needs is for someone to find a use for him as a football player which he is. Find a spot for him and let him learn it. He's very good at that.
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Tebow may be solid at another position, but when I think about that, it reminds me of the players we've had in the Jerry Angelo era who were considered great athletes, but they didn't "fit" anywhere as a player. Kind of like Hester. Hester was the best of the lot, due to the fact he's been outstanding as a returner. But he isn't really a dback and certainly not a WR. I've been frustrated with these type players over the years. I'd rather get a guy who is good (really good) at one position. Rather than a guy who has some good athletic skills that often do not translate into him being a good player at a given position.
On a related note, I was also frustrated by us drafting players because they could play multiple positions. But the problem often (not always, but often) was that they didn't play any single position well. Kind of like a Swiss Army knife. Yeah, you can make it do multiple functions, but it doesn't do any of them well. On the oline we saw this. I think that maybe this was one reason Lovie's teams switched offensive lineman around like it didn't matter what position you threw them into. But it did matter.
Getting back to Tebow, if you want a QB, draft/acquire a QB. If you want a good TE, draft/acquire a good TE. If you want a good RB, draft/acquire a good RB. Get the very best guy who is skilled at the position you need him to play. Then don't dink with him. Let him learn to play that position at a high level.
p.s. Maybe I'm just over-sensitive about this due to Lovie's failures with these type moves. Maybe a better coach could make these things work. IDK.
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Until the O line goal line punch improves I could see him as a red zone threat perhaps from the qb or even fb spot. I just don't believe if he could gel with any type of west coast offense outside of this.
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Until the O line goal line punch improves I could see him as a red zone threat perhaps from the qb or even fb spot. I just don't believe if he could gel with any type of west coast offense outside of this.
Hope you don't mind a CFLer sticking his nose into this discussion . . .
Trestman could bring two CFL habits with him: the read-option play that's been a staple up here for a few years, and the short yardage specialist QB. Most CFL teams now employ a backup QB, usually with good size and wheels, as the dedicated short yardage guy. It adds another problem for the D as they have to consider the QB and RB as equal threats to run the ball, plus the QB might change things up and dump a short pass for the yardage. It also saves the no. 1 QB from taking a pounding. It's common for the short yardage QB to have a lot of running touchdowns to his credit as they often are sent in when the O is close to the goal line. The short yardage QB usually doesn't hook-slide, rather they pound it upfield like a FB. Couple the read-option with a dedicated short yardage QB and we can see the potential.
If Tebow could accept this role, he could have a future under Trestman.
The media circus however, would be another matter entirely.
Hope you don't mind a CFLer sticking his nose into this discussion . . .
Trestman could bring two CFL habits with him: the read-option play that's been a staple up here for a few years, and the short yardage specialist QB. Most CFL teams now employ a backup QB, usually with good size and wheels, as the dedicated short yardage guy. It adds another problem for the D as they have to consider the QB and RB as equal threats to run the ball, plus the QB might change things up and dump a short pass for the yardage. It also saves the no. 1 QB from taking a pounding. It's common for the short yardage QB to have a lot of running touchdowns to his credit as they often are sent in when the O is close to the goal line. The short yardage QB usually doesn't hook-slide, rather they pound it upfield like a FB. Couple the read-option with a dedicated short yardage QB and we can see the potential.
If Tebow could accept this role, he could have a future under Trestman.
The media circus however, would be another matter entirely.
I don't mind you jumping in at all. On the contrary, I think your input is enlightening, and honestly, shows something that may reach the NFL sooner than some old school purists want to admit. There is a place for this strategy in the NFL and those that don't think so are ignoring some of the things that are going onRound the league.
Hope you don't mind a CFLer sticking his nose into this discussion . . .
Trestman could bring two CFL habits with him: the read-option play that's been a staple up here for a few years, and the short yardage specialist QB. Most CFL teams now employ a backup QB, usually with good size and wheels, as the dedicated short yardage guy. It adds another problem for the D as they have to consider the QB and RB as equal threats to run the ball, plus the QB might change things up and dump a short pass for the yardage. It also saves the no. 1 QB from taking a pounding. It's common for the short yardage QB to have a lot of running touchdowns to his credit as they often are sent in when the O is close to the goal line. The short yardage QB usually doesn't hook-slide, rather they pound it upfield like a FB. Couple the read-option with a dedicated short yardage QB and we can see the potential.
If Tebow could accept this role, he could have a future under Trestman.
The media circus however, would be another matter entirely.
Wouldnt even need Tebow for that role, Jay is perfectly capable scrambler.
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Hope you don't mind a CFLer sticking his nose into this discussion . . .
Trestman could bring two CFL habits with him: the read-option play that's been a staple up here for a few years, and the short yardage specialist QB. Most CFL teams now employ a backup QB, usually with good size and wheels, as the dedicated short yardage guy. It adds another problem for the D as they have to consider the QB and RB as equal threats to run the ball, plus the QB might change things up and dump a short pass for the yardage. It also saves the no. 1 QB from taking a pounding. It's common for the short yardage QB to have a lot of running touchdowns to his credit as they often are sent in when the O is close to the goal line. The short yardage QB usually doesn't hook-slide, rather they pound it upfield like a FB. Couple the read-option with a dedicated short yardage QB and we can see the potential.
If Tebow could accept this role, he could have a future under Trestman.
The media circus however, would be another matter entirely.
Well that's an interesting concept. A 3rd string short yardage QB who really only needs to be able to execute a small portion of the total offense in order to be of value. Guys one and two are your regular passer types but guy three is your short yardage and goaline weapon hmmmmm. Beats having 5 TEs on your team when you never throw to them to begin with ala Tice.
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