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Originally Posted by
soulman 
And this is and always has been my main point about Cutler. I can't believe that after all the years the Bears have squandered wandering around in the barren wasteland of mediocrity by not having a talented enough QB that anyone would even think about replacing him until the last dogs dies and that won't happen until after Trestman takes his shot at it. It was at least 80% of the reason he was hired for cryin' out loud.
If a guy like Trestman who has even turned a journeyman QB like Rich Gannon into an MVP and SB winner can't help boost Cutler to the top then no one can and it's time to throw in the towel but not before. We have no one even in the pipeline to replace him and we don't have the cap space or the picks to go searching for another experienced QB in FA or in trade. The best we can hope for is to draft a rookie prospect who Trestman can develop and maybe two years from now he may be ready if Cutler doesn't make the grade but before then fagedabout it!
If anyone sees any other VIABLE options I'd be glad to hear them but whether we should pursue Joe Flacco or whoever the hot hand of the moment in these playoffs doesn't even bear discussing. It won't happen period. The only way we ever get out from under these QB inconsistencies is to begin developing our own passers much like the Packers have done and they've done a bang up job of it too. But it takes time to achieve that which is part of the definition of the word develop itself. Development isn't associated with terms like "instant oat meal" and "minute rice".
So if it turns out that Cutler isn't the guy then we better get our tushes in gear and start drafting QBs to put in the pipeline or we may just end up with another promising but expensive QB from someone else's roster who doesn't cut it either.
I dont think anyone wants or suggested to flat out replace him. Im saying going by the numbers despite all the hurdles things dont look good. There is allot to blame here from HC TO OC TO OL ETC.... But we still have to proceed with caution. Lets see how he does this season. Lets see if Emery is willing to continue to build around Cutler-and we will really see this with what they do with the oline. Then if things work out hell yeah show him the money. But if we show him the money now and all we get is SOS idk man if I can handle five years of shit offense. I know I have lasted this long lol but its different now. With all the new damn rules why is it still a struggle for us to have a competent offense?
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Originally Posted by
matsellah There's a bottom line to all of this, but it's composed of many parts.
Of Jay Cutler, I'll say that he -like anyone who is hired to perform as a professional- needs to either demonstrate that ability or the franchise -like any business- needs to move on and he needs to acknowledge his failure to meet the demands of the job as the reason he is no longer an employee... should that happen.
However, there's a caveat to this, in that a professional football team isn't entirely like a corporation or other business enterprise, because there's a certain amount of development required and, like many members of the profession have said, it's a marriage; it's equal parts the player and the staff.
In that regard, I cannot hold Cutler at fault. He came into the league as a young man, brash and cocky. Full of self-confidence and graced with some fantastic natural skill. He had no prior acquaintence with the team that drafted him and their offensive philosophy, nor with the team that acquired him through a trade and their subsequent turnstyle of offensive coordinators.
And of those offensive coordinators, none where at a level of professinalism and competence in their trade that a lot of people insistently demand from Cutler.
So... while it's within his area of responsibility to control aspects such as emotion, maturity, dedication, leadership, etc., there are a number of factors that contributed to the failure of the Bears to progress on offense. And none of them are directly related to this asinine nanny-nanny poo-poo bullshit of how people aren't happy with how Cutler's face looks or how he conducts himself when working with people who were clearly more incompetent at their jobs than he is at his.
Because, before we truly fire up the lynch mob, let's see how the guy does in an offense where the voice on the other end of the headset in his helmet has demonstrated the same level of professionalism and expertise in his chosen field, as we're demanding of the guy holding the football.
you dont have a 4500 yard season by accident so I agree between personel and coaching we havent done justice for Cutler. But the real question is do we sign him now? or do we give him this season to be that 4500 yard qb we saw before he came to this offensive bottomless pit known as chicago?
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Originally Posted by
soulman Just a brief comment or two on each.
1) I think it's a sign that Emery is invested (or soon will be to an even greater degree) in Cutler being the Bears QB. He's well aware that we have no one even close to taking his place
and he has much bigger fish to fry as far as fixing that offense then to have to worry about finding a QB who is superior to or has more upside quickly than Cutler has.
He could be looking at 2013 restructure of Cutler's deal to clear up some cap space with an extension that mirrors Trestman's 4 year deal. Obviously I'm only guessing here but looking at the big picture this seems to make some sense especially since he has some big dollar deals to look at for some of our own UFAs while still having a budget to explore UFA from other teams.
2) I completely agree with you and I don't think that question was asked of him and even if it was he's deferred on making comments about any of the players yet by saying he and Emery will sit down and evaluate the roster. It appears Jahns is implying that it was a negative affirmation by it's exclusion which in reality it wasn't.
It was simply an answer not given to a question not asked. In any event I can see the rationale for Emery to make that claim as the GM and top personnel man and for Trestman not to commit to that about any player just yet. He remained non-committal about Urlacher too so there's nothing inconsistent in any of it. Once he does a roster evaluation I'm sure he'll have more to say. He's a hell of a lot more open than Lovie ever was.
So you're right. It was a pure crap stir.
Soul, I agree with ALL of your post. But in particular, with the point you made, that Emery has "bigger fish to fry" than to worry about replacing Cutler right now. It's delusional to think otherwise. I think some fans fail to realize just how many personnel issues Jerry Angelo left that man. The defense is a "house of cards" due to our key players aging, and the offense is devoid of talent, other than Cutler, Forte, Marshall, AJ & Bennett. Our best (and only decent) OL player is Louis, and we don't even know what we have in him now, after his injury.
Yeah, I don't see Emery as a stupid man. He's not going to add to his personnel woes right now.
Last edited by JustAnotherBearsFan99; 01-24-2013 at 10:25 AM.
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Originally Posted by
JustAnotherBearsFan99 Soul, I agree with ALL of your post. But in particular, with the point you made, that Emery has "bigger fish to fry" than to worry about replacing Cutler right now. It's delusional to think otherwise. I think some fans fail to realize just how many personnel issues Jerry Angelo left that man. The defense is a "house of cards" due to our key players aging, and the offense is devoid of talent, other than Cutler, Forte, Marshall, AJ & Bennett. Our best (and only decent) OL player is Louis, and we don't even know what we have in him now, after his injury.
Yeah, I don't see Emery as a stupid man. He's not going to add to his personnel woes right now.
Well in my own defense this somewhat explains why I get teed off at threads about who we should want rather than Cutler when there's not even a remote possibility of it happening. It is as I called it total mental masturbation.
But BDM was right. I was being a bit of dick for criticizing it's very existence so instead of participating in those threads I'll just keep posting the more logical reason why a major change isn't anywhere but on a very distant horizon.
The very thing that made the Bears HC spot so attractive to so many offensive minded coaches is the fact the Cutler IS the QB and they don't have to scramble to find one or develop one from scratch. Cutler needs some fixing the way a house needs repainting it doesn't need to be torn down and rebuilt even though Trestman may describe his process that way.
I guess it's just that the lack of reading comprehension, and ability to read between the lines, and the failed logic of it all escapes me at times. You've described the situation accurately and so just why would Phil Emery want to heap an unsettled QB situation on top of the pile he already needs to cope with?
He's trying to get this team into a SB NOW not rebuild it from the ground up and you don't do that by getting rid of your QB the minute a new coach shows up and if he's smart he won't force his MLB out either.
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