Thread: Draft talk - look over the top

Originally Posted by Kyle1022

If the draft actually went like this then we'd be screwed...lol

Do we draft a QB in this case? I know none of them are really impressive, but now we actually have a QB-friendly and offense-friendly coach...he could develop into something.

But I would say the best option would be to trade down for more picks.

Well I wouldn't worry to much since it's manipulated to come out that way.

GBPH ya' gotta get real man. This draft order is nowhere near realistic. For example; Jones won't be the first guy picked and Fluker isn't a top ten pick Eifert isn't gonna go as high as #14 and so on.

This is a "Nightmare on Elm Street" draft that wouldn't happen. But to answer the question asked, no matter where you're drafting if a player you don't rate that high but still want is on the board if you're smart you trade down. It's that simple.

Originally Posted by soulman

Well I wouldn't worry to much since it's manipulated to come out that way.

GBPH ya' gotta get real man. This draft order is nowhere near realistic. For example; Jones won't be the first guy picked and Fluker isn't a top ten pick Eifert isn't gonna go as high as #14 and so on.

This is a "Nightmare on Elm Street" draft that wouldn't happen. But to answer the question asked, no matter where you're drafting if a player you don't rate that high but still want is on the board if you're smart you trade down. It's that simple.

I know that this isn't realistic. I just want to talk about more than just the same guys. Who knows what Emery wants and thinks. Maybe he wants a CB with our CBs only having 1 year left on the contract or he goes DL and lets Melton walk? Who knows?

Originally Posted by GermansbombedPH

I know that this isn't realistic. I just want to talk about more than just the same guys. Who knows what Emery wants and thinks. Maybe he wants a CB with our CBs only having 1 year left on the contract or he goes DL and lets Melton walk? Who knows?

OK I don't mind that talk but what's with the draft list that bears no resemblance to reality? We don't need that to discuss the possibilities.

Here's what I believe.

A) There is virtually no chance that they'd let Melton walk. The guy is one of the top five or ten DLineman in the NFL and only 26 years old so replacing him might be difficult. Much like Forte was he's probably looking for a deal in the range of what the franchise tag would pay him which this year is about $8.3 mil so if they can't come to an agreement I think we should expect that Emery will tag him like we did with Forte and use that to get a long term deal worked out before camp.

I think that if we did take a DLineman it's far more likely that it would be a pass rushing DE than a DT. We're pretty well set inside and at backup DE if we offer Izzy another one year deal.(and we should) Pep's cap number is of much greater concern than anyone else's including Urlacher. Will they ask him to restructure again and if so will he?

B) Peanut is another guy with a big cap number that can be dramatically reduced by offering him an extension and I would be completely shocked if they didn't. He's up for DPOY and he'll certainly be worth keeping around more than just one more year.

Jennings could very easily earn himself another extension too if he keeps playing at the level he did this year. He's a few years younger than Peanut so there's no reason he won't be able to remain productive for a few more years too. Both these guys were starting Pro Bowl CBs so the need to think about replacing either of them isn't all that great.

The other reason I say this is because DBs can usually play as rookies. There's less of a learning curve for them that other positions so if you spend a #1 pick on a CB it's because you expect him to start immediately. In the case of the Bears that wouldn't happen so we can postpone the need to draft a top CB in the 1st round. We also don't typically look for top man on man cover corners so the CB type we look for can be gotten lower in the draft.


I agree that we don't know exactly what's on Emery's mind but I think we can all agree that based on what we've seen so far he's gonna attack any position he feels is a weakness and as it stands those positions are on the OLine, at TE
and at LB since there we do have to worry about our depth and replacing Urlacher soon. Whoever we draft in the first two rounds I'm guessing it will be at those positions. After FA has wrapped up I think we'll have an even better idea of who he may shoot for.

Originally Posted by 4DaBERS

It is possible that the problems Teo has had could pay dividends for us. I am not proposing that WE select him, but...

The Bengals also need help at LB, and they own two picks in the second round (37 and 53). If Teo drops to 20, would it be worth it for us, given the multiple needs in areas with good depth in this draft, to trade out of the first all together and get both their 2nd round picks? Our pick at #20 is valued at 850 on the Value chart, and their two seconds would equate to 890, which is close, but certainly gives us an edge. They may also want us to throw in our 5th, but I would play hardball and go ahead and use our own pick in the first if they don't like it. The end result would leave us with 3 second round picks. The first of the three would be a little worse than our 1st round pick, but we get a pick back that is higher up to make up for the lost 3rd round pick. We then end up with 3 picks in the top 53 as opposed to just two. What would you do?

Just for the record, in a normal year, I would not do this, but given the depth of O-Line talent in this draft and our lack of a valuable 3rd rounder, I think I would pull the trigger.

I like this idea. This year, drafting at 20 is just too low in some respects. We could better upgrade our overall team by trading down that pick & impacting our overall roster strength in a better way. We'd come out of the draft a bit better I think. Especially considering we have better talent evaluators now, since Emery arrived. This won't be Jerry Angelo looking for guys who can jump out of a swimming pool.

Originally Posted by JustAnotherBearsFan99

This won't be Jerry Angelo looking for guys who can jump out of a swimming pool.

Or...maybe it should be this:

Originally Posted by 4DaBERS

It is possible that the problems Teo has had could pay dividends for us. I am not proposing that WE select him, but...

The Bengals also need help at LB, and they own two picks in the second round (37 and 53). If Teo drops to 20, would it be worth it for us, given the multiple needs in areas with good depth in this draft, to trade out of the first all together and get both their 2nd round picks? Our pick at #20 is valued at 850 on the Value chart, and their two seconds would equate to 890, which is close, but certainly gives us an edge. They may also want us to throw in our 5th, but I would play hardball and go ahead and use our own pick in the first if they don't like it. The end result would leave us with 3 second round picks. The first of the three would be a little worse than our 1st round pick, but we get a pick back that is higher up to make up for the lost 3rd round pick. We then end up with 3 picks in the top 53 as opposed to just two. What would you do?

Just for the record, in a normal year, I would not do this, but given the depth of O-Line talent in this draft and our lack of a valuable 3rd rounder, I think I would pull the trigger.

I could see a trade like that in this draft. There are gonna be some damn good players available in positions where we need help who will still be there in the 2nd round so if we had #37, #40 (?) and #53 I'd say we could probably come away with two Olineman and a LB who could all help us out. Within the next couple of years if not this year. I would have no problem all with that if the value we wanted wasn't there any longer at #20.

Originally Posted by soulman

I could see a trade like that in this draft. There are gonna be some damn good players available in positions where we need help who will still be there in the 2nd round so if we had #37, #40 (?) and #53 I'd say we could probably come away with two Olineman and a LB who could all help us out. Within the next couple of years if not this year. I would have no problem all with that if the value we wanted wasn't there any longer at #20.

I agree completely. Rock solid interior olinemen can be drafted in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. For sure, a 2nd round interior lineman should be starting day-1 of the season. At least with Emery drafting, this should be the case.