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    Even more evidence that Drake is a buffoon and once again avoiding his own part in Hester's failure to become an NFL caliber WR. Man am I glad this asshat is gone.


    In trying to support Hester, Drake indicts him


    Devin Hester cleans out his locker while surrounded by reporters on New Year's Eve. (Chris Walker/Tribune Photo / January 30, 2013)




    Steve Rosenbloom The RosenBlog 9:24 a.m. CST, January 30, 2013


    I don’t think Darryl Drake meant to expose Devin Hester as mentally and emotionally weak, but the former Chicago Bears wide receivers coach just gave the Bears' fake wide receiver something else to mope about.


    “The thing about Devin is, the stars need to align right,’’ Drake said in the Tribune. “What I mean by that is, things have to be in order to excel. That’s just how he’s made. If things are right, then he’ll excel. If not, then he may struggle here and there.’’ (Or here, there and everywhere like 2012)


    Palm to forehead. Look, nothing is ever in order in football. Every game plan requires ad-libbing. Things aren’t perfect even in Madden ’13. Deal with it.



    Nope, Drake is saying that Hester can’t deal with it. He can’t be great unless everything is juuuuuuusssst right. We know wide receivers are divas, but geez, this sounds like Hester is all “Toddlers and Tiaras.’’


    What’s worse, Drake said Hester’s duties as a kick and punt returner didn’t get in the way of Hester’s learning the wideout spot. So, Hester was a disaster on his own merit, I guess. (Oh I think he may have had some non-help from Drake in that regard as well. Open mouth insert foot)


    Again, I don’t think Drake intended to indict Hester, but he underscored the idea that Hester isn’t smart enough to handle the mental demands of the position while adding to the evidence that he’s short of the first down emotionally, too. (Like we haven't figured that part out of our own?)


    “There wasn’t a lot for him to shoulder,’’ Drake said. “Devin just needs to be involved. When you have a guy of his caliber, you’ve got to get him involved. Guys like him feed off success. When he wasn’t involved, then he was frustrated. It’s hard to play this game frustrated. That’s the bottom line.’’ (If we were looking for a reason why Lovie kept playing him at WR here it is)


    No, here’s the bottom line: Grow up.


    Drake is a coach, now with Arizona, and of all people, a coach knows about earning the right to be more involved, not using it as an excuse for failure.
    Hester certainly hasn’t earned that right. I mean, learn the playbook, for starters. Run a professional route, for another. Oh, and catch the ball, pal.
    Drake’s comment stops just short of saying that Hester holds his breath until he turns blue. Nice profile.


    The Bears should stop enabling a guy who’s wasting everyone’s time at the position, even if the Bears brought this on themselves when the last regime neutered the greatest returner in NFL history.


    Drake also should assume some of the blame for failing to make Hester better in several obvious areas: back-shoulder catches, fighting for jump balls, and, goodness, just the basic running of routes. (Just some? Ya think?)


    Cutler loves throwing to the back shoulder and throwing passes as if he believes his receivers always can go up and get it. From the first pass he threw to Hester in an exhibition game, the quarterback realized Hester was none of that.


    In fact, Cutler specifically commented after that game that he learned Hester is not a back-shoulder guy and not a go-up-and-get-it guy. Little did he know that Hester wasn’t much of a route-running guy, either. Ditto for just catching the thing.


    No wonder Cutler didn’t get Hester more involved. He didn’t trust him. Reading what Drake said, it didn’t sound as if Cutler also had much tolerance for Hester’s weak act. (No I don't imagine he did and probably not much for Drake either since Jay doesn't suffer fools very easily and Drake may well have been the biggest fool on the entire coaching staff.....no make that WAS the biggest fool on the entire coaching staff)


    “Jay is a tough, tough-minded guy,’’ Drake said. “He looks at things a lot differently. Devin is more of a compassionate-type guy. They’re total opposites. At times, that probably made things a little bit tougher. But could they co-exist? Sure, if they both work at it. But it takes both of them to do it.’’ (Yeah but it looks to me like only one was)


    Yeah, well, it’s not worth it. Not worth the time and effort. We’ve seen enough of Hester's act in the offense to know that we don’t want to see any more of it.


    I don’t know what new coach Marc Trestman plans to do, but I hope he doesn’t get enamored of the pretty, shiny thing. You can’t run an uptempo offense with a receiver who needs a Garmin to find his route.


    But wait, Hester might not be coming back at all. When Lovie Smith was fired, remember, Hester had that famous meltdown, gurgling between tears that he might retire. It’s a rash thought born from a dismissal that shocked the players. It also provided the soundtrack for Drake’s characterization of his former marshmallow, even if he didn’t intend it that way.


    I don’t think Hester meant what he said about quitting, but if he wanted to retire just from the wide receiver spot, fine by me. Probably fine by Cutler too. (Like I said put his focus back on returns which he's very good at and get his attention off receiving which he sucks at. Get him on the field on offense for a handful of plays that create a mismatch or as a decoy. Of course decoy only works if the other guys believe he can get open and actually catch the ball if it's thrown to him. Somehow I think Tice missed that part of the equation in the design of HIS "Hester Package". I think Trestman will be smarter than that.)
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    A lot of Hester's problems start with his fundamentals... (game day) route running... keeping your eyes on the ball all the way through to the catch, etc. Fundamentals that Drake apparently could not teach and drill into players.

    Outside of Johnny Knox and Earl Bennett, I was trying to think of another decent WR that the Bears drafted that Drake had his mits on... I think Bernard Berrian is about the only guy that progressed during his years with the Bears and ultimately had a career year before signing elsewhere. Then there were the busts of Wade, Gage, Bradley and Currie.


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    lol, "Short of the first down, emotionally."

    Yep...that is being put under Hester's senior yearbook portrait.
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    Quote Originally Posted by draw2anderson35 View Post
    A lot of Hester's problems start with his fundamentals... (game day) route running... keeping your eyes on the ball all the way through to the catch, etc. Fundamentals that Drake apparently could not teach and drill into players.

    Outside of Johnny Knox and Earl Bennett, I was trying to think of another decent WR that the Bears drafted that Drake had his mits on... I think Bernard Berrian is about the only guy that progressed during his years with the Bears and ultimately had a career year before signing elsewhere. Then there were the busts of Wade, Gage, Bradley and Currie.
    BB was kind of a "one trick pony" just like Knox is (was?) and I think Bennett would do just fine without any help from Drake if could ever stay healthy. He and Jay have a long history together and Jay trusts him. Even Drake couldn't ruin that.

    Both Wade and Gage has better careers after they left Chicago. Moose wasn't that far wrong when he said Chicago was where WR come to die. I think Drake was the head mortician.
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    Did Hester pay Drake to say this stuff? Hester sure isn't worth it as a WR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPosh2012 View Post
    Did Hester pay Drake to say this stuff? Hester sure isn't worth it as a WR.
    If he did he should ask for a refund. Drake did more damage than good.
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    I dont think we will ever know all the facts about Drake. My impression was he got drafts handed to him and if he didnt make them superstars in a year they were cut from the team and he had to start over again.

    A loyal flunky to Angelo and Lovie he just went along to keep his job, content in developing mediocraty.

    He probably felt safe in knowing BEARS were a run first and then think about somtimes throwing the ball, and the defense would carry the team.

    Why rock the boat and why speak up ? Why endanger a steady paycheck? I wonder how much input if any he had in the draft?

    It seems that Toub was more forceful and got what he wanted. The squeeky wheel gets the oil.

    And ... did Tice REALLY think the O-LINE was just peachy keen or was he another non-voice like Drake?

    Once again dont rock the boat when a paycheck is involved.

    This is what I meant in an earlier post about HEART and EMOTION.

    You gotta want a SUPERBOWL win more then you want a steady paycheck.

    It starts from the GM to HC to the asst. coaches.

    A defense minded GM and HC where offense was an afterthought outside of ball control running was the Angelo/Lovie regime.

    In other words what USED to work in the NFL. Time passed them by. You could say they were the last to get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackiejokeman View Post
    I dont think we will ever know all the facts about Drake. My impression was he got drafts handed to him and if he didnt make them superstars in a year they were cut from the team and he had to start over again.

    A loyal flunky to Angelo and Lovie he just went along to keep his job, content in developing mediocraty.

    He probably felt safe in knowing BEARS were a run first and then think about somtimes throwing the ball, and the defense would carry the team.

    Why rock the boat and why speak up ? Why endanger a steady paycheck? I wonder how much input if any he had in the draft?

    It seems that Toub was more forceful and got what he wanted. The squeeky wheel gets the oil.

    And ... did Tice REALLY think the O-LINE was just peachy keen or was he another non-voice like Drake?

    Once again dont rock the boat when a paycheck is involved.

    This is what I meant in an earlier post about HEART and EMOTION.

    You gotta want a SUPERBOWL win more then you want a steady paycheck.

    It starts from the GM to HC to the asst. coaches.

    A defense minded GM and HC where offense was an afterthought outside of ball control running was the Angelo/Lovie regime.

    In other words what USED to work in the NFL. Time passed them by. You could say they were the last to get it.
    Ah bullshit Jackie. He couldn't get a thing out of Hester that even came close to resembling a #1 WR, he couldn't get Knox to run his routes with more precision and use his body to protect the ball and he couldn't even get his old college prodigy RWill to play half way decently when he was here. Drake has been the coaching equivalent of the 2012 version of Kellen Davis for years.

    The second paragraph I highlighted is exactly correct. As long as he kissed Lovie's ass and said what Lovie wanted to hear he had a job and that is exactly what he did. He feathered his nest with constant bullshit about the Bears WRs and all this crap about Hester is just his way of shining blame away from himself and onto someone else.

    He can't even develop a Polaroid photo. I have no respect of Drake as a coach or as a human being.
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    Quote Originally Posted by soulman View Post
    Ah bullshit Jackie. He couldn't get a thing out of Hester that even came close to resembling a #1 WR, he couldn't get Knox to run his routes with more precision and use his body to protect the ball and he couldn't even get his old college prodigy RWill to play half way decently when he was here. Drake has been the coaching equivalent of the 2012 version of Kellen Davis for years.

    The second paragraph I highlighted is exactly correct. As long as he kissed Lovie's ass and said what Lovie wanted to hear he had a job and that is exactly what he did. He feathered his nest with constant bullshit about the Bears WRs and all this crap about Hester is just his way of shining blame away from himself and onto someone else.

    He can't even develop a Polaroid photo. I have no respect of Drake as a coach or as a human being.
    Youre agreeing with everthing I said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackiejokeman View Post
    Youre agreeing with everthing I said.
    No I'm not. You're blaming the problems on the lack of talent and I'm saying that Drake had no ability to develop talent at all. In fact I'm not sure he didn't make it worse for some of them. The very fact that all of the prior Bears WRs except Bennett couldn't even run their routes well and Hester could never learn how to catch properly proves that he couldn't even teach fundamentals to these guys.

    Drake was just a yes man under Lovie and if Lovie had ever learned anything about offensive football as he should have after nine years then Drake and a whole lot of other guys wouldn't have kept their jobs as long as they did. Drake was not handed the worst prospects in the world but he couldn't coach those guys up to be even half way decent #1 guys. Not one of them.

    If you gave him a Julio Jones he would have found a way to screw with him too. I'm just glad he out of here and that Marshall is willing to take the time to help make Jeffery his clone. He won't get much better coaching anywhere else but do you even think that would have been possible had Drake been around? Hell no. Drake would have resented it because it would have been a threat to his job. Darryl Drake is a tool.
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