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Originally Posted by
Riczaj01 
Brown and Carimi both have potential at LG. LG is the least of concerns on this team. LT and C are both concerns though. If one is taken care of in FA it greatly reduces the need to focus entirely on OL early in the draft.
Based on what I saw of him at G this year and his non-ideal height for the position, I think Carimi needs to get himself back into pre-injury shape and win the RT job. Brown may have potential at LG but too soon to count on him. Rachal is a goner, Ewill blew, and Spencer absolutely sucks. So, I must disagree...we have nothing solid to speak of at LG and its a major hole.
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MP at the end of the year, the OL was looking pretty solid, that was Webb, Brown, Garza, Carimi, and Scott. That line did better then it had most of the year. You add Louis and a Legit C prospect and a legit LT FA and all of a sudden that is very solid line.
But we can agree to disagree. I see no reason not to think Brown/Carimi/Webb cannot improve, ecspecially in a better offensive system w/a better OL coach. Maybe they have a lower ceiling(Webb) but the other two have a much better ceiling.
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Originally Posted by
Riczaj01 MP at the end of the year, the OL was looking pretty solid, that was Webb, Brown, Garza, Carimi, and Scott. That line did better then it had most of the year. You add Louis and a Legit C prospect and a legit LT FA and all of a sudden that is very solid line.
But we can agree to disagree. I see no reason not to think Brown/Carimi/Webb cannot improve, ecspecially in a better offensive system w/a better OL coach. Maybe they have a lower ceiling(Webb) but the other two have a much better ceiling.
Ric, it would certainly help immensely if Brown becomes an "udfa steal" for us next year and nails down the LG job. Love to see it. No way to rely upon that right now. Of course, we still have injury question marks regarding Carimi and Louis and we have all heard the "he will improve with more reps" thing about Webb for a couple years now. He has improved but only from an F to a D+, so understand why there's legitimate skepticism here.
I know this probably won't happen, but if we could get Jones on a trade down to the late first/early second (say Cooper and Warmack go before 20) we could then use our 2nd pick on a D player and the 3rd rounder from the trade on a G or T prospect. Then look for a TE and WR potentials in 4-6.
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Amazing how low the bar has been set ( for some ) when evaluating our line . Not 1 of these guys would start on numerous other teams . Sheesh .
I Love Lou " Dr. Slushmouth" Holtz .
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Originally Posted by
Riczaj01 JABF, color me stunned if they go OL/OL in rounds 1 and 2 when they need to find a guy to replace Urlacher(even if they resign him) and need some DB help/depth, and depth at WR, backup QB, and DL depth.
I'm all for them getting a top 5 OL, but you're not doing it in one draft. To much youth can be an issue also, even if there is talent. If you went and got 2 OL that would be 4 guys on the OL sub 2 years experience(carimi was hurt his first year), brown and 2 more rookies. That is out of probably 9 guys(figuring Scott/Webb and FA LT and Louis). And 3 of them are probably starting, and all 5 are going to be substanial time.
I just don't see a scenerio(minus a guy falling to them that is must have) going OL round 1 and 2. I won't hate it, but I just cannot see it. There are ton's of needs, and you can get quality G's in the mid rounds.
You can get quality anything in the mid rounds, fact is tho we need OL help now in multiple positions. And there isn't a whole lot of help in those areas
It's not far fetched at all to go OL/OL if we have 2 quality players there that will start/compete from day one
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I think it is extremely far fetched when you need a MLB, TE, at minimum that are going to play substantial time/and or start(MLB might be starting if BU isn't here). I think people are looking at how the OL was for most the year and not how they were at the end. They looked solid at the end of the year, still need help, still need a FA LT and a C, but it wasn't like they needed a complete overhaul like they looked like most of the year.
C
There is depth everywhere in the draft, but some positions are more likely to be deeper then others, and G is one of deeper ones, not only do you have a lot of G's, but also C's/T's that aren't good enough to play those positions can be drafted for G. Soul pointed out that the majority of the NO's OL were mid rounders, not day 1 guys. Good coaching/scheme can do wonders for players and I think you'll find that will be the case next year. Trestman is far more WCO then anything else and that alone will be a huge help to the OL.
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Originally Posted by
JustAnotherBearsFan99 That seems to make a lot of good sense.
Regarding the earlier post on Angelo trading down and then missing on draftees, I would just add that he missed on his 1st round picks too. But, I get your point and agree with you Soul.
When I read these posts about how mismanaged the offense was, it occurs to me that nobody could screw things up as bad as our GM/HC/and Tice. It's like you couldn't do worse even if you intentionally TRIED to screw up the team. I'm not trying to be funny here. I'm dead serious. We would have been better last year if they had duct taped Tice's mouth, tied him up and threw him into the Halas Hall cellar. Moving players around like he did was madness.
I think Angelo always pictured himself as the intellectual type and in quite a few cases he outsmarted himself on draft day passing up one good player to draft two also rans with athleticism and upside which is why the article he wrote that Tommy posted is so comical. He's now advising against the very things that he did. Not to be unkind but I now see that some of Lovies stoicism was there to hide his ignorance about certain things and one of those was what good offensive football was all about at a level that a HC should understand it.
JA was a suit, french cuffed shirt and tie guy whereas Emery is more of a sport coat, short sleeve shirt and slacks guy who once the presser is over can take that fool get up off and get back to work doing what he likes best, scouting players. JA gave us player advertisements whereas Emery gives us well thought evaluations. They were both once scouts it's just that one was a bad one and the other a very good one. I think for our needs we hired the right kind of guy. I like his thinking and his approach.
So to a certain degree I find myself trying to get inside his head and see things the way I think he may be seeing them. So I guess you could say I spend more time thinking about what Phil Emery may think about a player and his fit for our needs than I do thinking about the player himself. No matter who I like Phil is gonna draft who he likes and that's what I'm trying to figure out by going about it the way I believe he is.
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Originally Posted by
Riczaj01 I think it is extremely far fetched when you need a MLB, TE, at minimum that are going to play substantial time/and or start(MLB might be starting if BU isn't here). I think people are looking at how the OL was for most the year and not how they were at the end. They looked solid at the end of the year, still need help, still need a FA LT and a C, but it wasn't like they needed a complete overhaul like they looked like most of the year.
C
There is depth everywhere in the draft, but some positions are more likely to be deeper then others, and G is one of deeper ones, not only do you have a lot of G's, but also C's/T's that aren't good enough to play those positions can be drafted for G. Soul pointed out that the majority of the NO's OL were mid rounders, not day 1 guys. Good coaching/scheme can do wonders for players and I think you'll find that will be the case next year. Trestman is far more WCO then anything else and that alone will be a huge help to the OL.
Wee all heard the "be patient, they have potential, they looked better, we have a new scheme" excuse before and that went well
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Alf The Ref Hey lets trade our 1st 2nd and 4th 5th and 6th rounders so we wind up with 7-8 3rd rounders . Think about it - 8 3rd rounders in one draft . That could put serious starter quality depth in lots of places ( some of whom would be starter material anyways ). Crazy ? Not as crazy as you might think .
It's also just as likely to put mediocre players everywhere which is what I thought we were trying to avoid. By the odds maybe two would be good starters two more might be marginal backups and three or four wouldn't even make the team so not much different than the odds you'd have keeping the picks we have.
Crazy? Yeah it's even crazier than YOU might think be Alf. I think the rest of the NFL realizes that though because it's never been done.
I'm getting to that age where a lifetime warranty just doesn't mean as much to me anymore as an afternoon nap. Honey Badger Don't Care. Honey Badger Don't Give a Shit.
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XaosGorilla I recommend a Drink, I'm a Captn' & Coke guy myself. But perhaps a Beer or 6(or 12 or 18) may also help. "Drink until the (off)season looks pretty!"
I'm off the sauce so can I just look at naked pics of Jenny McCarthy instead? 
She looks a lot prettier to me than looking at Garza's ass like Cutler has to do.
I'm getting to that age where a lifetime warranty just doesn't mean as much to me anymore as an afternoon nap. Honey Badger Don't Care. Honey Badger Don't Give a Shit.
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