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Chicago Bears shouldn't become enamored with 2013 NFL Scouting Combine.
I do agree with a lot of this.
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With the 2013 NFL Scouting Combine set to kick off a whirlwind of NFL Draft hype this weekend, legions of cameras, reporters, coaches and NFL executives will descend upon Indianapolis. There, they'll watch over 300 athletes perform various Feats of Strength—each arbitrary in their own special fashion—for their prospective employers.
Chicago Bears’ GM Phil Emery will be in attendance, and although he's a combine veteran, it'll be interesting to see if he buys into the spectacle as a whole.
Our general fervor for football fuels a year-round news cycle in the National Football League. The NFL Draft is a season all to itself, and with the immediacy of the information age, we continue to clamor for anything we can find on the game's young potential stars.
This crave has led to the popularity of the NFL Combine, which the NFL Network will cover for four days this weekend and leading into next week. Meanwhile, that coverage will continue to shape the sport's obsession with measurables.
And while there's no questioning the relevance of athleticism in football, these measurables often lead to misrepresentations of what makes a real player. Athletes who have proven at every level that they're capable of making plays will be marginalized by their 40-time or their standing broad jump.
On the opposite end of the spectrum, people will become enamored with a kid who hopped off the bus and ran a 4.34, choosing to ignore entirely that he spent three unproductive seasons at State University buried behind the kid who ran a 4.6.
It's an injustice of minimal importance, but an injustice nonetheless.
The idea behind this week-long production, which looks like Westminster on two legs and steroids, is that these numbers give tangible meaning to the word athleticism. Instead of saying something simple and subjective like, "This kid's an athlete," you can authoritatively say, "This kid runs this fast, jumps this high and lifted that bar this many times." Afterward, you can make some semi-erotic comment about how good he looks with his shirt off.
And it is true that the measurables themselves are objective; however, their practical application toward playing football are anything but.
Combine freaks can be great football players. They can also be very bad football players.
Players who are simply bigger, stronger and faster than other players—who can actually play—will ultimately identify themselves on the football field. So, in essence, the Combine is really just an opportunity to distort what the tape already tells us. Not to mention the fact that the entire process is reminiscent of a Drago scene in Rocky IV—a public exhibition.
To be fair, front office executives are far-less infatuated with 40 times then the average fan. That's because their talent evaluators are still taught to trust their eyes and tape is still the most valuable commodity in the scouting industry, at least until football's statistical analytics catch up with those of Major League Baseball.
Phil Emery's background is in scouting, so he knows the territory well. He spent six years as a scout in Chicago at the turn of the century and went on to take executive scouting positions with the Atlanta Falcons and the Kansas City Chiefs before coming full circle and becoming the general manager of the Bears last season.
Because of that experience, Emery isn't likely to be sucked into the vortex of such a futile process. However, in some instances it's almost impossible not to be captivated by the combine freak. See Dontari Poe.
The verdict is still out on Poe, who was plagued by mediocrity throughout his career at Memphis, but if I were a betting man (I am), I'd be willing to say that one won't pan out. However, in the interest of fairness I won't include him on the list of combine freaks turned busts.
But that list is already plenty long.
Mike Mamula, Taylor Mays, Darius Heyward-Bey, and Vernon Gholston are just a few off the top of my head. And who could forget Matt Jones, perhaps the ultimate example in getting combined carried away?
Jones was a quarterback at Arkansas who was drafted as a wide receiver despite limited-to-no experience because he put on one of the greatest combine performances of all-time. A substance abuse problem eventually led to his demise and he was out of The League in just three years, although not being any good certainly didn't help his cause.
This weekend, there's bound to be a Matt Jones in the crowd—someone who does things that make us say "Wow!" in shorts and a t-shirt—but has never truly produced on the football field. Somebody will take a flyer, but that somebody had better not be the Chicago Bears.
A new coaching staff gives Emery an opportunity to slowly begin to leave his watermark on this page of Chicago Bears’ history. However, the roster is in a transitional phase where they have to get younger while remaining competitive. That means they need football players in this draft who can add depth and contribute immediately, not a long-term project.
Not a combine freak.
Trestman - Kromer - Tucker - DeCamillis
I'm looking forward to seeing these guys coach. Hope they're good.
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Yeah, let's not fall in love with some guys' numbers and ignore tape and needs. A lot of people last year loved Hill's fast track times and overlooked that fact the he had crap college production and played in a very non-NFL triple option offense. Lets draft proven GOOD FOOTBALL PLAYERS who fit our system and needs at least in the top 2 rounds over "Combine heros". Not saying he's the only one by any means, but Barrett Jones is a great example of the former and not the latter.
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One of the things that frustrated me about Jerry Angelo was that he seemed more enamored with measurables than football skills. He'd get a guy fast as heck, but who couldn't play football worth squat.
Trestman - Kromer - Tucker - DeCamillis
I'm looking forward to seeing these guys coach. Hope they're good.
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Not just Angelo, but a whole slew of causal fans. It's a repetative story every year, where fans go "why didn't they draft so-n-so, he ran a (whatever) at the combine!" and then go on to question the intelligence of the personnel people for failing to recognize the obvious, in favor of some clown who just happened to rank 15th nationwide in total tackles over a 4 year period.
We have a luxury here, because we're somewhat more than casual fans, of realizing it doesn't matter what a player runs, lifts or accomplishes at a combine. It's what he's done on the field. Media hype and a lack of knowledge among the fanbase can ruin a good draft. Add in that the draft is always a crapshoot at best and you have a recipe for frustration. And when it's frosted by the likes of Jerry Angelo, you wind up with a cake football team.
Last edited by matsellah; 02-19-2013 at 07:01 PM.
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Plus, I'm pretty sure 10 years ago, the media didn't hype the combine and college players as much as they do now. Although a pretty knowledgable Bears fan and NFL fan overall, I can't say I'm that die-hard about college football as a whole and don't keep up with EVERY position and who's the best throughout the year. But amazingly enough, I now know how good Domontre Moore is, Fischer, Bingo, Floyd, Hopskin, Banks, Short, I could go on and on.
The point is, the casual fan gets fed all of this information, and from March to the draft, I hear comments such as, "we better draft so and so, or I'll be pissed!'. I would bet most of the time, they haven't heard of 1/2 these players before now. I don't pretend to know more than Emery and company from the info I get from the media and the popularity formed around some players; I'll just pray they make the right decisions and continue to be a fan.
P.S. You damn better get this draft right though!!!!!
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Originally Posted by
matsellah
Not just Angelo, but a whole slew of causal fans. It's a repetative story every year, where fans go "why didn't they draft so-n-so, he ran a (whatever) at the combine!" and then go on to question the intelligence of the personnel people for failing to recognize the obvious, in favor of some clown who just happened to rank 15th nationwide in total tackles over a 4 year period.
We have a luxury here, because we're somewhat more than casual fans, of realizing it doesn't matter what a player runs, lifts or accomplishes at a combine. It's what he's done on the field. Media hype and a lack of knowledge among the fanbase can ruin a good draft. Add in that the draft is always a crapshoot at best and you have a recipe for frustration. And when it's frosted by the likes of Jerry Angelo, you wind up with a cake football team.
This x100000000000000000000000000000000. It happens here every year, especially on this website, even after everyone the combine is "overrated". The only thing the combine should be used for is to find previously unknown physical ailments and in the event of being stuck on a few players, to use their combine grades as the tie breaker.
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Another dimension that adds to the crapshoot is the issue of peaking.
For instance, how many times can you recall a player who was taken in the mid-rounds (maybe later) who goes on to have an incredible career and you're going "where'd he come from?!"
Humans... develop at different rates (d'uh) and so, you can have a kid who had a so-so career during college but then suddenly lights it up after turning pro. He peaked later.
Conversely, you have kids who enjoyed terrific careers in college, but slammed hard into the proverbial 'wall' after turning pro. They peaked earlier.
There's no methodology, no metric, no guide to tell you who has peaked, or is peaking or will...
I'm sure my point is made on this aspect. Baseball tends to use the age of 27. Stastically, players tend to physically peak at that age. Those that hit it hard tend to have great careers and agents tend to use that age as a yardstick on contract negotiations (will have a current contract expire before that age, using it as leverage to negotiate a higher payday... "He's going to turn twenty-seven next seasonnnnn...!" cha-ching!)
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So far Emery seems to have proven his worth as a GM/Scout in that he looks for an drafts football player not athletes. I'm sure there are any number of picks JA made who Emery would have even sniffed beginning with Jarron Gilbert and the list goes on from there.
Shea McClellin may not have impressed everyone here in his rookie year but the kid was productive and he showed that he knows how to play the game. Jeffery was impressive before he was injured and I'm sure he'll bounce back and ERod did all right himself as a TE playing out of position.
Those guys all contributed in some way year one and earned a spot in the playing rotation. Even an UDFA lineman got a few starts. How often did we see those same results from JA's drafts? I believe we'll come out of this years draft with a couple if immediate contributors as well.
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I think Emery has enough savvy to take the combine for what it is-an athletic showing. With Emery I believe the general football I.Q. and football instincts are going to increase greatly and to be a much better metric for a productive draft and to find better football players in general.
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Good read...and i agree viewing tape is the more powerful tool.
Personally if i was in charge of how the combine was conducted, i would at least try and make it "somewhat" realistic to playing conditions by making these guys do drills in full pads.