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  • 1. Draft the best player available no matter what.

    2 11.76%
  • 2. Draft best player that's left on the board - at a position we actually need help.

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  • 3. Draft best player that we need in 1st round, but in later rounds draft best player available

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Thread: Drafting Best Player Available vs. Getting a Player We Need

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZifanQ View Post
    Great another German....

    Jk, welcome to the best Bears board on the internet. Nice with another European fan!
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    Quote Originally Posted by GermansbombedPH View Post
    yes, it's true. Why else should I write it here ;)


    If he falls that far, we have to take Werner and laugh at about 15 other teams for letting him slip to us - need or not
    Ok, you're right with this. xD Didn't know that there's another Bears fan in Germany. Most of the German football fans I know are Pats or Giants fans. -_-

    Yeah, I would take him immediately and not just because he's a German. Awesome guy with great potential! But because Emery drafted McClellin last year and the Bears also have Peppers (and Wootton and maybe Idonije) there is no need for a DE - at least in the first round.
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    BPA is only a valuable tactic when you have a sub-par team (which also means you probably have high draft position as well), and you can pretty much bank on the fact that the BPA is probably better then what you have now.

    It DOESNT work on a team like the Bears where you have plenty of talent in a variety of positions. Think about it for a moment...if the BPA in Round 1 is a CB, then WHY would the Bears draft him knowing that we have P-Nut and Jennings? Sure, it will provide depth and he might be a star when either of those two are gone in the future, but it does NOTHING for us this year, when we have more important issues that need addressing (*coughOLcough*)
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    BPA has worked for teams like GB and NE for years, all chaulked full of talent. If they load up on CB or QB they can then afford to let an overpriced Vet walk(see GB and the Farve/Rogers situation). NY has a glut of DL b/c they also draft BPA.

    Now I don't subscribe to that, I'm all for BPA given the need positions. IE take the best of LT/LG/C/MLB/TE w/each pick striking off the one drafted previously, while skipping OLB, DE, CB, WR, RB etc. etc. But it does work for teams chaulked w/talent every bit as well as w/teams deprived of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riczaj01 View Post
    BPA has worked for teams like GB and NE for years, all chaulked full of talent. If they load up on CB or QB they can then afford to let an overpriced Vet walk(see GB and the Farve/Rogers situation). NY has a glut of DL b/c they also draft BPA.

    Now I don't subscribe to that, I'm all for BPA given the need positions. IE take the best of LT/LG/C/MLB/TE w/each pick striking off the one drafted previously, while skipping OLB, DE, CB, WR, RB etc. etc. But it does work for teams chaulked w/talent every bit as well as w/teams deprived of it.
    Yeah..and look what happened to GB and NE..their D's went from great to crappy and both got bounced from the playoffs. Im not saying BPA doesnt work, im just saying that with the current Bears roster, BPA is NOT the way to go, especially if BPA ends up being a defensive player that wont be starting.
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    heh... my BPA opinion changes almost yearly... I'll let you know after FA. But my gut feeling is there is no way we are drafting BPA "no matter what" this year.

    If they address the OL and sign Urlacher for another year or two, I might be down with targetting a TE... which I usually hate seeing done in the first round, unless Vernon Davis 2.0 is available...

    If you draft someone in the first round (I give late first round QB picks a pass on this rule, sometimes they are worth bringing along slowly... see: Rodgers) and they don't start their rookie year. You blew it.

    FWIW, I voted option 2 in the poll... but it was almost a toss up between 2 & 3, because they are so close...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmors View Post
    Yeah..and look what happened to GB and NE..their D's went from great to crappy and both got bounced from the playoffs. Im not saying BPA doesnt work, im just saying that with the current Bears roster, BPA is NOT the way to go, especially if BPA ends up being a defensive player that wont be starting.
    NE has won what 3-4 SB's in the last decade, GB 1? NY 2? Ya would hate to have that record of success......

    again I don't subscribe to BPA no matter what, but it does work for elite teams also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AtomicTommy View Post
    heh... my BPA opinion changes almost yearly... I'll let you know after FA. But my gut feeling is there is no way we are drafting BPA "no matter what" this year.
    Nothing wrong with that...our rosters change every year as well, so BPA changes as well.

    If they address the OL and sign Urlacher for another year or two, I might be down with targetting a TE... which I usually hate seeing done in the first round, unless Vernon Davis 2.0 is available...
    Olsen was a solid 1st round TE pick for us (31st), until they bounced him off the team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riczaj01 View Post
    NE has won what 3-4 SB's in the last decade, GB 1? NY 2? Ya would hate to have that record of success......

    again I don't subscribe to BPA no matter what, but it does work for elite teams also.
    Technically, since its 2013, NE hasnt won any SBs this decade (just sayin).

    But i highly doubt their success is due to simply drafting BPAs. They also addressed needs as well. If you want to use NY as an example...Mario Manningham wasnt BPA, and Victor Cruz was undrafted. Its debatable if JPP was BPA when they drafted him (15th), considering that Mike Iupati and Pouncey were taken after him.
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    I'd go with a LG or C here. BPA doesn't work for a team like the Bears. It may work for someone like the Browns who are so ungodly bad where they can use help most anywhere but not for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmors View Post
    Technically, since its 2013, NE hasnt won any SBs this decade (just sayin).

    But i highly doubt their success is due to simply drafting BPAs. They also addressed needs as well. If you want to use NY as an example...Mario Manningham wasnt BPA, and Victor Cruz was undrafted. Its debatable if JPP was BPA when they drafted him (15th), considering that Mike Iupati and Pouncey were taken after him.

    Just b/c a pick fills a need doesn't mean it wasn't BPA also. If MM was graded highest on THIER boards when he was grabbed he was still BPA even if he filled a need. The question is where was he on THEIR board b/c the ESPN/NFL big boards rarely match up w/the teams. They had a ton of DL talent when they took JPP; it was very much considered a luxury pick for them.

    I'm not saying it's the sole reason they won; I'm merely pointing out that BPA works for teams chaulked w/talent, I would content it actually works more in their favor then even teams deprived of it b/c they can afford to go BPA and then let them sit if the guy busts out.

    Again I'm not, nor ever have been, an advocate of straight BPA either. I'm all for a pseudo version where you go bpa based on need positions; I just don't believe you rank those needs first which can alter the board away from getting the best player.

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