Thread: Bear down: Jay Cutler faces a do-or-bye season in Chicago

Originally Posted by 4DaBERS

Ditto Jimmors 100%, and to the writer I say "PPFFFTT".

In my "opinion" there is a difference between "excuses" and "legitimate reasons". What do you think Jims?

I think this author contradicts himself, he quoted Jim Miller who said:

"He is looking at Cutler as a whole new canvas, a piece of art he's trying to polish it," Miller said. "It will have Trestman's mark on it. He'll tell him to scrap everything he learned from Martz, and everything he learned from Tice, and say, 'You're my guy now.' "

I agree with Miller. Emery (and more importantly, Trestman) do not see this as a "Do or Bye season" (whatever the hell that means anyway) for Cutler, they view it as a blank canvas for Tresty™ (im coining this phrase for future reference) to work his offensive magic. By firing Lovie and hiring Tresty, Emery has shown that he is fully committed to OFFENSE, and that starts with the QB. Emery brought in Bates and BMarsh to give Cutler some tools he is familiar with, he re-signed Forte (alot of us forget how important that deal was and how close it came to not even happening) to give him a solid RB in all 3 Jobs (running, blocking and receiving)...so you dont throw all of that away and start from scratch AGAIN just because your QB might be inconsistent. And ill be willing to bet that this author is NOT a Bears fan or has eve paid much attention to Bears football. if he had, he would know that even a "shaky" Cutler is still better then pretty much every QB we've ever had.

Originally Posted by 4DaBERS

Ditto Jimmors 100%, and to the writer I say "PPFFFTT".

In my "opinion" there is a difference between "excuses" and "legitimate reasons". What do you think Jims?

Exactly. The writer is an idiot. Period.

Originally Posted by Riczaj01

So you agree w/Jim Miller Jimmors?

"I don't think the Bears are married to Jay Cutler right now," said former Bears quarterback Jim Miller, now an analyst for Sirius XM NFL Radio. "We can say he's a franchise quarterback because he has all the skills — big arm, athletic...."

I actually do to, I think Emery/Trestman think he CAN be a franchise QB and the long term solution; the question is going to be WILL become that QB,and how much time THEY want to give him. Him being the greatest qb in Bears history means squat b/c the qb' history for the bears is squat(that group is as sad and pathetic as my flower garden), that is no reason for him to stick around. You have to look at how good he is compared to other qb's, in the div and the league right now.
Right now he's in a class of guys that haven't shown an ability to consistantly take their teams to the playoffs/SB(Rivers/Romo/Schaub/Ryan), but should be good enough to do so. How long do you give those guys? How much do you resign guys like Rivers/Romo/Schaub/Cutler for? Are they worth 70-100mil(estimated going price for franchise qb's). All those guys struggle to get their teams over the hump and where those teams all want/expect to be, are they worth that cap hit for the next 5 years if it means no SB?

Lets also remember that there is nothing tying Emery/Trestman to Cutler. JA/Lovie brought him in, and gave him an extension, neither of these two have done such a thing....if the answer was as obvious as so many posting in this thread think it is; why haven't the Bears signed him already; why wouldn't they do it this off season(they could)? He's got no leverage right now, he's coming off two inj plauged seasons where the team fell short of their goals. Why would the Bears(if they were so strongly in favor of keeping him around long term) want to wait until next year to sign him when w/a better OL, better coaching and a better scheme he should easily be capable of delivering his best year and a deep playoff run? Where is that good business sence for the Bears in that? Should they want to sign him now if they are as strongly confident that he is the long term solution?

I'm no Cutler hater, I think he can and will be the long term answer and think he will get a chance to show it next year. But I'm stunned that so many people flatty deny that there is any chance he's not a Bear next year; when there are legitimate reasons, and signals that say the Bears aren't 100% sold on him as their future.

i agree with the part i quoted, yes.

Maybe the leverage isn't all theirs. Cutler's reps could be arguing that their guy didn't play up to expectations because of the poor supporting cast or the lack of continuity. I don't know. You bring up some good points.

Originally Posted by Riczaj01

I think he's got, and will get, the tools to do to prove he is the long term answer this year: his own ability, the D, the O weapons(Forte, Marshal, Bennett, Jeffery), and the coaching staff. Emery just needs to get few OL pieces missing and the staff needs to get them developed into a solid group to protect him, and open holes for the run game; and a TE to solidify that area. And I do believe that will happen this year.

But From this year on it's up to Cutler to prove he deserves to be resigned to a long term deal; and if he doesn't, I could well see the team moving on from him. Right now he's not a top 10 qb, he's in that 11-15 range, along the lines of Rivers/Romo/Schaub/Ryan/Cam, all have the abiity to get their teams into the playoffs and make a SB run, but none have lived up to that ability, for various reasons. But why spend that kind of cap money that a franchise qb is going to cost you when they have proven they cannot take that next step?

Not to mention that this D is about to get too old, and when that happens if Cutler hasn't shown his worth, I could see the team blowing it up and starting over; and why not, you have 2 guys capable of developing a qb into something special, which was not the case when they traded for Cutler, which is why they traded for Cutler.

I wouldn't say it's highly likely that Cutler isn't here, but there are a few scenerios where he's not. It's hardly 100%; b/c if it was, he'd of been extended by now.

and for the whole what will Marshal do/think....he can walk too; when's the last time an elite WR won the SB? It's as rare as elite RB's right now. They are icing on the cake, but hardly the cake themselves.

I agree he probably is in that 11-15 range of QB's . 11-15 range playing behind lines that have graded out in the 27-30 range and with WR who graded out lower tier also .

So I wonder how he'd grade out with an O-line that grades out in the 10-15 best range . Bet it would put him in the top 10 .. i.e give him more time and he'll produce with it ( as long as Marshall and a year older Jeffery produce and stay healthy ) . Plus a better line will make the running game more effective , and will keep D's more off balance .

I think the D isn't going to be as good this year and will be giving up more points , but the flip side is I think the O will be alot better under Coach T ..... so end result should be higher scoring games to watch . Ang I could get used to headlines that say " Bears Win In Another Shootout " cuz that means the O is finally playing better AND Coach T's tactics are working .

IF this pans out it should actually be a really fun season to watch .

Matts, Guarantee that is what Cutler's guys are saying. That's how you negotiate. But I thought I remembered hearing on his show on ESPN that he's willing to take a discount to stay here(I could be wrong though, been a long minute since Nov/Dec); that's a huge loss in leverage even if your peeps are saying that.

Alf, That is the hope, and what I believe will happen, that the OL/Trestman allow him to make that huge leap. But even in Den he had a knack for throwing poor picks that cost his team games in "shootouts" b/c the D wasn't good enough. That could just as easily keep him out of the top 10 qb area.

That's why I said I agree that the team believes he's a franchise guy, but isn't married to him. They have to see him take that next step before they sign him. His issues are not stricltly OL/Coach realated...he was flawed in Denver also. So if those issues continue next year then I can see where the team would want to move on from him. I just don't think they will; but not thinking it will happen, doesn't mean it won't or that it cannot/shouldn't.

1) Keep him upright.
2) Emphasis should be placed on his improving his check-down process.
3) Keep the microphones out of his face.

Do that, and he doesn't become Jeff George Jr.

Trestman understands how to build a solid offense, and this includes the QB position. This will be the first time since Cutler arrived in Chicago, that he will be given the tools to succeed as our QB. It's like anything else in life, you need the resources to be successful. There is no magic shortcut to success. That certainly applies to football in general, and in particular with a modern NFL offense.

Once the key players and coaching pieces are in place, then Jay Cutler will do his part. We will have a solid offense, and a solid quarterback.

p.s. The writer of the article is an idiot.