Alabama Offensive Lineman Fluker Meeting With Bears Friday Night

**Grizzblue** · 02-23-2013, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by Riczaj01

Sox, are these 3 guys w/out question the top talent, sure I won't argue that point, but sorry if I disagree that there are no guys that are day 1 starters outside of these the top 3 at that position. Of the top G's last in last years NFL most were got in the middle rounds. And this year is supposed to be deep w/OL talent so I see no reason why history will again not repeat itself and you'll be able to find G's that can play at a high level in those rounds also. It's like like I'm saying don't grab a top teir guy, I just disagree w/the line of seperation.

I'm cool w/Fluker if the idea is he can be a T, and if nothing else could play G, it's why I'm okay w/the resigning of Scott and letting Brown/Carimi fight out the G spot. But I'd also look to trade back to to get more picks, and then take him since no other team is expected to go T/G after the Bears; depending on how the draft looks on draft day, if more teams behind them are looking to go G/T come draft day, then I'll happily change my opinon then.

Meanwhile there are something like 10 lb's expected to go in the 1st alone. So by shear volume that tells me the better option for top talent at both need positions(T/G, and LB) is LB at 20, and G at 50. I'd rather have a top 10 LB and a top 10 LG, then a top top 3 LG and a not top 10 LB; ecspecially since top LB's(in the nfl) rarely make it out of the mid first, and top LG's(nfl) are regularly found in the mid to later rounds.

Even worse is the idea that we need to get a C in the 2nd, b/c you really can get a top 5 C in the 4th. And much like the G's, the top 10 Centers in the NFL tend to come again from the mid rounds.

I agree that kid from cal (center) can play and be good value in the 4th, watched some combine and he looked like he could move for a 315
LB guy

So I would be okay with him over Frederick

But jones is the exception if he falls to
50 we nab em up

**ZifanQ** · 02-23-2013, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by Jimmors

Yeah, but Fluker could also turn into a 10 year starter. According to NFL.com, he came in the Combine 15 pounds lighter then expected, showing that he knows (and is willing) to work on his main weakness...his athleticism (needs to be quicker). If the Bears draft him and get him to an ideal weight, he could be a very solid RT, dude still has 36.75" wingspan...that is just freaky.

True, but what will you do with Carimi? I still don't consider him a bust or not, you can't jugde on rookie season which this really was puls he was playing not on full strength. I'm fine with us taking a RT if we needed one which we don't do right now. We need OG/OC more than a RT. I still could go with Cooper/Warmack over Fluker.

Walterfootball has Barrett Jones as the 78 pick(3th round) and goes to the Rams... interesting.

**lklrlolnlilklsox** · 02-23-2013, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by Riczaj01

Sox, are these 3 guys w/out question the top talent, sure I won't argue that point, but sorry if I disagree that there are no guys that are day 1 starters outside of these the top 3 at that position.

Did I even come close to saying that shit? No! I said top tier talent. IMPACT PLAYERS. Here's a hint, Garza has been a ten years starter in thisa league and he's barely mediocre. There's a lot of starters in this league, we need IMPACT on the OL. Difference-makers who can help turn our pathetic OL into a good one by sheer measure of their presence anchoring a spot and removing doubt or game day concerns about their ability.

**Riczaj01** · 02-23-2013, 01:26 PM

Garza was an impact player for about the majority of those years though. Ya he's been mediocre to poor the last few, he was a impactful for the Bears at G for well over the majority of time.

Again, look at the top 10 G's and C's in the NFL over the last few years; and the vast majority were not taken in the fist 2 rounds. So in one of the deeper OL drafts I'm to believe that this is the year you cannot get impact outside the top 3 at these positions?

Again I'm all for solidifing this OL w/impact talent, I'm just not sure that the line of demarkation of Impact is top 3.

**Henry Burris** · 02-23-2013, 01:57 PM

No more or less relevant than Manti Te'o being looked at. This is just a small step in the Bears doing their due diligence.

**JustAnotherBearsFan99** · 02-23-2013, 02:15 PM

It looks like a weak LB class to me.

It looks like a GREAT year for interior oline guys who can start for us day-1. This draft is loaded with talent through round 4 IMHO.

That's why I hope we double-down with 2 OL picks out of the first 4 rounds this year.

If the Bears think Urlacher (100% healthy Urlacher & not like he was last season) can play at a high level for another season - then we probably should pass on any first round LB.

Maybe grab a project in round 2 or 4 that has the physical attributes to be a starter in a year. But don't reach for a LB in desperation.

**Riczaj01** · 02-23-2013, 02:23 PM

Y! SPORTS
INDIANAPOLIS -- It's been said that any play in which an offensive lineman has to run 40 yards in a straight line in probably a bad idea, but that doesn't stop the NFL's evaluators from studying just how well the big men run the 40-yard dash at the scouting combine. This year, those NFL guys got a real treat, as Arkansas-Pine Bluff tackle Terron Armstead set a recent combine record with an unofficial 4.65 40-yard dash. His official time, announced later, was 4.71, but this still exceeded the previous mark since 2006 of 4.84, set by Allen Barbre in 2007.
Amstead just beat out Oklahoma's Lane Johnson, who ran an official 4.72, and whose stock has been rising steadily since he impressed everybody at the Senior Bowl. While Armstead is NFL Draft Scout's 10th-rated offensive tackle, Johnson is third behind Texas A&Ms Luke Joeckel and Eric Fisher of Central Michigan. Fisher ran a 5.05 40 and Joeckel's was even higher, but don't expect that to affect their draft stock. More than with other positions, NFL teams will go back to the tape with offensive linemen for the real story.
Armstead does have an interesting story, though. The 6-foot-5, 306-pound small-school star, who played well enough at the East-West Shrine Game to perk up further interest, and earn an invitation to the Senior Bowl as an injury replacement.
"I just want to show them my athleticism, speed, quickness, be smooth, be fluid," Armstead said this week at the combine. "I have some pretty good technique, but I know I need some work on every aspect of my game."
Teams will want to know that he can block at the next level, coming out of the FCS as he is, but Armstead certainly got off to a good start-- literally.

saw this while playing around on yahoo.

**Henry Burris** · 02-23-2013, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by JustAnotherBearsFan99

It looks like a weak LB class to me.

It looks like a GREAT year for interior oline guys who can start for us day-1.

If the Bears think Urlacher (100% healthy Urlacher & not like he was last season) can play at a high level for another season - then we probably should pass on any first round LB.

Maybe grab a project in round 2 or 4 that has the physical attributes to be a starter in a year. But don't reach for a LB in desperation.

I was meaning that the Bears meeting with Fluker is as important as them meeting with Te'o. The Bears are going to interview EVERY candidate that could fall to them at 20, because this is part of the process to get a feel for each prospect. No Bears fan is privy to the inside info, so for all we know, they could like both guys, neither or one of the two.

TL;DR don't read too much into the prospect interviews, as they will be meeting with everyone who could be theoretically drafted at 20. Not doing so would be silly.

**JustAnotherBearsFan99** · 02-23-2013, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by Henry Burris

I was meaning that the Bears meeting with Fluker is as important as them meeting with Te'o. The Bears are going to interview EVERY candidate that could fall to them at 20, because this is part of the process to get a feel for each prospect. No Bears fan is privy to the inside info, so for all we know, they could like both guys, neither or one of the two.

TL;DR don't read too much into the prospect interviews, as they will be meeting with everyone who could be theoretically drafted at 20. Not doing so would be silly.

I knew that was what you meant Henry. I was just making a general comment. I just can't get too excited with the top LB's being mentioned in this years class.

But I am just a fan and don't claim to know talent like Emery and our scouts. I trust their judgement here.

**lklrlolnlilklsox** · 02-23-2013, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by Riczaj01

Garza was an impact player for about the majority of those years though. Ya he's been mediocre to poor the last few, he was a impactful for the Bears at G for well over the majority of time.

Again, look at the top 10 G's and C's in the NFL over the last few years; and the vast majority were not taken in the fist 2 rounds. So in one of the deeper OL drafts I'm to believe that this is the year you cannot get impact outside the top 3 at these positions?

Again I'm all for solidifing this OL w/impact talent, I'm just not sure that the line of demarkation of Impact is top 3.

Garza has not once in his entire career been an impact OL. He's been a stable OG, a dependable vet and a solid-but-not-even-close-to-spectacular OG, but he has never once been an impact player that makes everyone around him better by dominating. He has never dominated at OG, not outside the tackles and definitely not inside. He is th esingle most overrated Bears OL of the decade simply due to the fact that he's been healthy and mediocre for a long time while everyone else is injured, old or busting. He's never been a road grader in the run game, and his pass blocking has just been solid. Mediocre.

I'm not saying the upside some those guys have is not great or that they COULDN'T be impact players down the road. The odds are simply not even close to those of the top three interior guys and the guarantees you get with those guys are just not there.

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