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    ESPN: "Manti Te'o not best fit for Bears"

    Do you think there's any chance that one of these LB's drops to our #18 of the 2nd round? Probably not.


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    Manti Te'o not best fit for Bear


    INDIANAPOLIS -- Although the name Manti Te'o generates buzz among some Chicago Bears fans, it’s not likely the team will risk the odds of him turning out to be a first-round dud.


    With franchise stalwart Brian Urlacher set to enter free agency, there seems to be a sense of urgency to find an heir apparent at the middle linebacker position. But two personnel evaluators believe there might be better options at the position for the Bears at No. 20.


    General manager Phil Emery was asked at the NFL Combine whether Urlacher’s pending free-agent status could affect the team’s decision making in April when the team goes on the clock in the first round of the draft or next month in free agency.


    “The qualities (Urlacher) brings, probably you say when you fill the roster how many linebackers we have has an impact,” Emery said. “But right now where we’re at in the process, we’re here to look at really good players and see if they fit.”




    While Te’o might be seen as a potential fit, both personnel evaluators considered Georgia’s Alec Ogletree and LSU’s Kevin Minter better options should the Bears continue under new defensive coordinator Mel Tucker to play a Tampa-2 system, which requires a rangy middle linebacker to drop into the middle third of the field on passing downs.


    The evaluators expect Tucker to employ more of a traditional 4-3 front with 3-4 principles with regards to how linebackers leverage blocks.


    One evaluator raved about Minter’s short-area speed, but questioned whether he’d be able to consistently cover the middle third of the field in pass situations. Both expressed initial concern that Minter would measure officially at 5-11. But Minter came in Saturday at 6-0, officially.


    Georgia linebacker Alec Ogletree would fit the Bears' schemes, but is facing character questions.
    Physically, Ogletree (6-2, 242 pounds) possesses more ideal traits as a middle linebacker in Chicago’s scheme. A former safety, Ogletree is more suited to the coverage responsibilities of the Bears’ system, and is versatile enough to also play on the weak side. But Ogletree was suspended in 2012 for the first four games of the season for failing a drug test, and arrested just last week for DUI.


    “I’m very versatile. I can come off the edge or play in the middle,” Ogletree said. “It doesn’t really matter, but like I said, I’ve been playing middle linebacker and that’s all I know really.”


    Ogletree also knows his troubled past will be an issue for teams headed into the draft; especially his DUI arrest leading up to the combine.


    “It doesn’t really matter when it happened. It happened,” Ogletree said. “Like I said, I hate that it happened. I feel bad about it. But, you know, I have to move forward.”


    Te’o wants to do the same, having become the center of controversy at the NFL combine because of the scandal involving a non-existent girlfriend, Lennay Kekua, which called into question his character despite evidence pointing to the linebacker not being involved with what transpired. Te’o’s press conference on Saturday drew by wide margin the largest attendance among any prospect at the combine.


    He spent approximately 15 minutes addressing questions ranging from that controversy, to his horrid showing in the national championship game against Alabama.


    Te’o was even asked whether he’s currently dating “anyone in real life.”


    Te’o became a national story when his supposed girlfriend, Kekua, was believed to have died of leukemia during the college football season. The truth, however, was she never existed, and it was later found out that Te’o had become a victim of an elaborate Internet hoax commonly referred to as “catfishing.”


    “Catfishing” was derived from the 2010 movie “Catfish,” in which a man learns that his online relationship with a woman wasn’t real. Instead, the woman he believed he was involved with was a totally different person than the one whose pictures he had seen on the Internet.


    Te’o spoke very few specifics about the incident, saying, “I’ve said all I need to say about that. How I’m handling it going forward is what I’m doing; focusing on the moment, focusing on football and the combine. Not everybody gets this opportunity to be here. I’m sure there’s thousands and thousands of people who would like to be here in Indianapolis.”


    Te’o said he met with the Houston Texans and the Green Bay Packers, and was scheduled to meet with 20 teams total. Surely, in doing their due diligence the Bears will sit down with Te’o, too.


    Te’o said “quite a few teams asked” about the controversy.


    “They’ve wanted to hear it from me what the truth was. They haven’t really said anything about it affecting me (in the draft),” Te’o said.


    Asked to summarize the truth, Te’o said, “Just I care for somebody, and that’s what I was taught to do. Ever since I was young, if somebody needs help, you help them out. Unfortunately, it didn’t end up the way I thought it would.”


    After the initial controversy was brought to light, it took several days before Te’o responded to tell his side of the story. Asked why it took so long, the linebacker said, “It was just a whirlwind of stuff. A 22-year-old, 21-year-old at that time, just trying to get your thoughts right. Everybody was just kind of chaos for a little bit. So you let that chaos die down and wait until everybody’s ready to listen.”


    Te’o’s teammate from Notre Dame, tight end Tyler Eifert, was among the listeners.


    “He’s handled the whole situation really well considering the circumstances and how big it blew up to be,” Eifert said. “I don’t know why it should (affect Te’o’s draft status). If it does, it does. He can’t control that at this point. There is no handbook on how to handle that situation. He took the advice of people that he trusted, and I think he handled it as well as he could have. I'm sure he'll be a little bit nervous but there is nothing for him to be nervous about. He didn't do anything wrong.”


    The reality, however, is that’s for the teams to decide. Te’o understands the situation.


    “Yeah, they want to be able to trust their player. You don’t want to invest in somebody you can’t trust,” Te’o said. “With everybody here, they’re just trying to get to know you, get to know you as a person and as a football player.”


    But controversy aside, in terms of football players at the middle linebacker positions, there seem to be better options. That part of the reason it’s highly unlikely the Bears will use the 20th pick on Te’o.


    Besides that, addressing other needs is more important.


    Trestman - Kromer - Tucker - DeCamillis

    I'm looking forward to seeing these guys coach. Hope they're good.


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    “It doesn’t really matter when it happened. It happened,” Ogletree said. “Like I said, I hate that it happened. I feel bad about it. But, you know, I have to move forward.”
    If you feel that bad about it, perhaps you shouldve thought about that BEFORE you decide to drive while under the influence. What if you had ended up killing someone, would you still be saying "i have to move forward?" Doubtful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmors View Post
    If you feel that bad about it, perhaps you shouldve thought about that BEFORE you decide to drive while under the influence. What if you had ended up killing someone, would you still be saying "i have to move forward?" Doubtful.
    Yeah but he didn't and he does have to move forward because he can and he should with a stern self reminder of a lesson learned the hard way. Not to mention what the legal penalties will be and the possibility that he may have cost himself a mil or two by being drafted lower. Stupid yes, but criminal no.

    If he had killed someone that would be far more difficult to just move on and he wouldn't have said that in that same way. Let's not make a catastrophe out of something that's not.

    Just because he's a top college draft prospect doesn't make him any different than any other human being in that regard. We make mistakes, we pay the price, and we learn from them if we're smart. If he repeats stuff like this then it becomes a problem but one occurrence? No.

    The only difference between Ogletree and 95% of the posters on this site is that he got caught driving under the influence. Most of the rest of us have been luckier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soulman View Post
    Yeah but he didn't and he does have to move forward because he can and he should with a stern self reminder of a lesson learned the hard way. Not to mention what the legal penalties will be and the possibility that he may have cost himself a mil or two by being drafted lower. Stupid yes, but criminal no.

    If he had killed someone that would be far more difficult to just move on and he wouldn't have said that in that same way. Let's not make a catastrophe out of something that's not.

    Just because he's a top college draft prospect doesn't make him any different than any other human being in that regard. We make mistakes, we pay the price, and we learn from them if we're smart. If he repeats stuff like this then it becomes a problem but one occurrence? No.

    The only difference between Ogletree and 95% of the posters on this site is that he got caught driving under the influence. Most of the rest of us have been luckier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimmors View Post
    umm...DUI is still a crime.
    Well then let's all of us who have ever been charged with a DUI carry around that badge of dishonor as criminals for the rest of our lives. I think you know what I mean by "criminal" so let's not debate semantics OK. We're both more intelligent than that.

    And as far as I know he's only been charged with a DUI. I haven't heard that he's been convicted yet or pleaded guilty. I know it happened in Phoenix but even in AZ unless you're an illegal alien from south of the border I still think you're considered innocent until you either plead guilty or you're convicted.

    Joe Arpaio's still just the sheriff. I don't think they made him a judge yet God forbid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by soulman View Post
    Well then let's all of us who have ever been charged with a DUI carry around that badge of dishonor as criminals for the rest of our lives.
    Sounds good to me.

    I think you know what I mean by "criminal" so let's not debate semantics OK. We're both more intelligent than that.

    And as far as I know he's only been charged with a DUI. I haven't heard that he's been convicted yet or pleaded guilty. I know it happened in Phoenix but even in AZ unless you're an illegal alien from south of the border I still think you're considered innocent until you either plead guilty or you're convicted.

    Joe Arpaio's still just the sheriff. I don't think they made him a judge yet God forbid.
    Sure, he is innocent until proving guilty, but i would assume that they would have to have something as concrete as a breathalyzer result to even charge him with it, so i seriously doubt he will be found innocent of a DUI. If he actually WAS innocent, then you would also assume that he would be fighting that charge tooth and nail right now
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    Sounds good to me.

    OK, tell me that you've never gotten behind the wheel of a motor vehicle after you've had something to drink. Tell me that in your entire life you've never done that or that you've always been 100% aware of your BAC before driving and knew that you weren't over the limit for a DUI or a DWI. If you have never done that in your entire life then you're either you don't drink period and never have which would explain you're holier than thou attitude, you're bald faced liar, or you have the poorest memory of anyone I know.

    How about Lance Briggs? Should we have released him after he ran his Lambo into an overpass a couple of years ago and left the scene. Do you think Lance was actually sober when that happened. I don't hear you accusing him of being a criminal in the same breath that you're accusing Ogletree. I'd like to hear what you have to say to this.



    Sure, he is innocent until proving guilty, but i would assume that they would have to have something as concrete as a breathalyzer result to even charge him with it, so i seriously doubt he will be found innocent of a DUI. If he actually WAS innocent, then you would also assume that he would be fighting that charge tooth and nail right now
    You ASS U ME that they have a breathalyzer but that may not be the case. Guess I'll go dig up the story and find out if that was reported. You can refuse a breathalyzer and they will then CHARGE you with a DUI without it.

    Now let me call your attention to what I've highlighted in red. Your Freudian Slip is showing or should I say your prejudice. I thought I pointed out that even in AZ (still a part of the USA as far as I know) you are INNOCENT until you either plead guilty or are found guilty in court. So as of this moment he stands accused but his guilt or lack of hasn't been determined yet.

    And you ASS U ME that he's not hired and attorney to represent him? You know for a fact that he's going to plead guilty when it finally gets to court which based on my own experience with the courts could take a month or even longer if he does not plead to what in all likelihood will be a reduced charge of DWI because it's a first offense. Sorry but standing on my general principles as a US citizen I'm not judging the kids guilt as you are. I'm not his judge or on his jury nor are you.

    I think the kid probably did the same stupid thing a lot of people have done and got behind the wheel of a car after he'd been drinking but based on my own personal experience and those of a few others I'm not gonna assume that was drunk and I'm not gonna assume that he will be convicted of a DUI just yet. Things are not always as they seem and I can relate my own experience with it if you like.

    If you want to accuse him of poor judgement go ahead. That much I'll probably agree with you on but the rest remains to be seen. And regardless of the outcome no one was hurt but Ogletree, his own reputation and his pocket book. So to monstracize it into what if someone got hurt or killed is just stretching the facts to cover your own prejudiced opinion of the event and of him.

    Now answer my questions if you please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by soulman View Post
    You ASS U ME that they have a breathalyzer but that may not be the case. Guess I'll go dig up the story and find out if that was reported. You can refuse a breathalyzer and they will then CHARGE you with a DUI without it.

    Now let me call your attention to what I've highlighted in red. Your Freudian Slip is showing or should I say your prejudice. I thought I pointed out that even in AZ (still a part of the USA as far as I know) you are INNOCENT until you either plead guilty or are found guilty in court. So as of this moment he stands accused but his guilt or lack of hasn't been determined yet.

    And you ASS U ME that he's not hired and attorney to represent him? You know for a fact that he's going to plead guilty when it finally gets to court which based on my own experience with the courts could take a month or even longer if he does not plead to what in all likelihood will be a reduced charge of DWI because it's a first offense. Sorry but standing on my general principles as a US citizen I'm not judging the kids guilt as you are. I'm not his judge or on his jury nor are you.

    I think the kid probably did the same stupid thing a lot of people have done and got behind the wheel of a car after he'd been drinking but based on my own personal experience and those of a few others I'm not gonna assume that was drunk and I'm not gonna assume that he will be convicted of a DUI just yet. Things are not always as they seem and I can relate my own experience with it if you like.

    If you want to accuse him of poor judgement go ahead. That much I'll probably agree with you on but the rest remains to be seen. And regardless of the outcome no one was hurt but Ogletree, his own reputation and his pocket book. So to monstracize it into what if someone got hurt or killed is just stretching the facts to cover your own prejudiced opinion of the event and of him.

    Now answer my questions if you please.
    What Questions? I only see one, and it looks more rhetorical than anything, since i already said i "ASS U MED" as much.
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    What Questions? I only see one, and it looks more rhetorical than anything, since i already said i "ASS U MED" as much.

    The questions are right here all nice and laid out blue and bold. I can't believe you didn't read this part. My initial quote about DUI's. Your response in green and my questions.

    Originally Posted by soulman
    Well then let's all of us who have ever been charged with a DUI carry around that badge of dishonor as criminals for the rest of our lives.


    Quote Jimmors; Sounds good to me.


    OK, tell me that you've never gotten behind the wheel of a motor vehicle after you've had something to drink. Tell me that in your entire life you've never done that or that you've always been 100% aware of your BAC before driving and knew that you weren't over the limit for a DUI or a DWI. If you say you've never done that in your entire life then either you don't drink period and never have which would explain you're holier than thou attitude, you're bald faced liar, or you have the poorest memory of anyone I know.

    How about Lance Briggs? Should we have released him after he ran his Lambo into an overpass a couple of years ago and left the scene. Do you think Lance was actually sober when that happened. I don't hear you accusing him of being a criminal in the same breath that you're accusing Ogletree. I'd like to hear what you have to say to this.



    I gotta tell you this all smacks of being hugely hypocritical so you tell me why it isn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by soulman View Post
    The questions are right here all nice and laid out blue and bold. I can't believe you didn't read this part. My initial quote about DUI's. Your response in green and my questions.

    Originally Posted by soulman
    Well then let's all of us who have ever been charged with a DUI carry around that badge of dishonor as criminals for the rest of our lives.


    Quote Jimmors; Sounds good to me.


    OK, tell me that you've never gotten behind the wheel of a motor vehicle after you've had something to drink. Tell me that in your entire life you've never done that or that you've always been 100% aware of your BAC before driving and knew that you weren't over the limit for a DUI or a DWI. If you say you've never done that in your entire life then either you don't drink period and never have which would explain you're holier than thou attitude, you're bald faced liar, or you have the poorest memory of anyone I know.

    How about Lance Briggs? Should we have released him after he ran his Lambo into an overpass a couple of years ago and left the scene. Do you think Lance was actually sober when that happened. I don't hear you accusing him of being a criminal in the same breath that you're accusing Ogletree. I'd like to hear what you have to say to this.



    I gotta tell you this all smacks of being hugely hypocritical so you tell me why it isn't.
    Not really questions, but ok...

    OK, tell me that you've never gotten behind the wheel of a motor vehicle after you've had something to drink. Tell me that in your entire life you've never done that or that you've always been 100% aware of your BAC before driving and knew that you weren't over the limit for a DUI or a DWI.
    I have never gotten behind the wheel of a motor vehicle after i've had something to drink.
    In my entire life i've never done that.
    Never been aware of my BAC, because as i've said...never driven afterwards.

    My Half-brother got drunk one night and ran into a telephone pole and died, so i know full well the consequences of driving drunk, which is why i have not and never will do it, nor do i have any tolerance for anyone who does. Ive drank plenty in my life time, and its not too difficult to make other arrangements to get home. So youre barking up the wrong tree on this one.

    If you say you've never done that in your entire life then either you don't drink period and never have which would explain you're holier than thou attitude, you're bald faced liar, or you have the poorest memory of anyone I know.
    Or...i say Ive never done it because i never done it. Odd that you forget this possibility.

    How about Lance Briggs? Should we have released him after he ran his Lambo into an overpass a couple of years ago and left the scene. Do you think Lance was actually sober when that happened. I don't hear you accusing him of being a criminal in the same breath that you're accusing Ogletree. I'd like to hear what you have to say to this.
    Too lazy to try and dig up my old posts after that happened, but im fairly certain i wasnt too thrilled about it, and made plenty of jokes about Briggs' stupidity, and that he should be held accountable for his actions. I DEFINITELY didnt pat him on the back and say "its ok, we all make mistakes"

    Im not claiming that a character issue is reason to fire or not hire someone, i am simply making the point that the opposite is not true either...its not something to ignore or dismiss, and should be discussed and debated, particularly with incoming draft picks.
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