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    Chicago Trib article: "Bears can't cut corners in secondary anymore"

    I know the initial reaction is that it's crazy to think about CB's this year. But I don't know. On a side note, I loved seeing Peanut selected for the Pro Bowl, but I thought his game performance made him look pretty pathetic. He got owned, and looked slow & out-classed. Granted, he was going up against the best receivers in the NFL, so maybe I'm over-reacting. Also, maybe he just wasn't up for the game, due to enjoying Hawaii with his family there (I "get it" that it's not a real game).


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    Pompei: Bears can't cut corners in secondary anymore
    Aging starters mean team needs cornerbacks and draft is well-stocked with them

    February 26, 2013|Dan Pompei | On the NFL

    INDIANAPOLIS — There has been much speculation about offensive linemen and the Bears. Mock drafters have prognosticated the Bears will draft offensive tackles, guards, middle linebackers and tight ends.

    There has been nary a word about cornerbacks. But cornerback is the Bears' hidden need for a number of reasons, but primarily because Charles Tillman, the team's most reliable corner, is 32.

    Tillman is an unusual athlete who goes to great lengths to preserve and prepare his body. But he already has performed at a high level longer than most corners, and the list of productive cornerbacks in their mid-30s in NFL history is a short one.

    Even if Tillman continues to produce, it might not be in Chicago. He is entering the final year of his contract.

    Tim Jennings is as well. Jennings, 29, could have a longer shelf life than Tillman. But he is coming off a career year, and it's fair to question if he ever will have another nine-interception season.

    Depth also is a concern. Kelvin Hayden became the nickel corner last year, but his contract is up. The Bears probably will try to re-sign him, but there are no guarantees they will.

    Also scheduled to be free agents are D.J. Moore and Zack Bowman. Given that Moore was benched last year and did not have a very good season, it seems unlikely he will be back.

    The previous coaching staff looked at Bowman primarily as a special teams player, and defensive backs coach Jon Hoke is one of the holdovers from the old staff. That makes it seem likely that if Bowman returns it will be in a similar role.

    Cornerback was enough of a concern last April that the Bears used two draft picks on corners, choosing Isaiah Frey in the sixth round and Greg McCoy in the seventh, but neither had an impact.

    Frey spent the season on the practice squad and is on the offseason roster. He will have a chance to stick in September.

    Regardless, the Bears need a big, young corner who can be a building block. And reeling in a corner in the 2013 draft should be about as easy as catching a trout in a stocked pond.

    There probably is more quality in this draft at the position than at any other.

    "There are a number who are going to help teams either as a one, two or three," Bears general manager Phil Emery said. "I would say that's a strength."

    According to a survey of front office men, as many as 13 cornerbacks could be taken in the first two rounds. They are Southeast Louisiana's Robert Alford, Cal's Marc Anthony, Mississippi State's Johnthan Banks, Utah State's Will Davis, Connecticut's Dwayne Gratz, Alabama's Dee Milliner, Oregon State's Jordan Poyer, Florida State's Xavier Rhodes, Rutgers' Logan Ryan, Mississippi State's Darius Slay, Boise State's Jamar Taylor and Washington's Desmond Trufant and Connecticut's Blidi Wreh-Wilson.

    Many of them would be ideal fits in the type of zone scheme new Bears defensive coordinator Mel Tucker will run.

    Some of those players made some money Tuesday with impressive workouts at the NFL scouting combine at Lucas Oil Stadium. Five of the top-rated corners had sub 4.4 times in the 40-yard dash, a benchmark for corners — Slay (4.36), Milliner (4.37), Trufant (4.38), Taylor (4.39) and Alford (4.39).

    Two of the higher ranked corners also had outstanding vertical jumps, as Alford jumped 40 inches and Rhodes went 40.5. Rhodes also had a 4.41 40-yard dash.

    Milliner, Rhodes and Trufant now are the best bets to go in the first round, though a number of others could as well. Banks had been considered a potential first rounder, but he did not show well here. His 40 time of 4.61 was a disappointment, as was his vertical jump of 34 inches and his bench press (10 reps of 225 pounds).

    Banks now is looking more like a second-rounder, and that round should have exceptional value at cornerback. Whether it's the second round, the first or even a later round, the Bears are likely to address their hidden need on draft weekend.

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    I'm not a huge fan of the depth at DB, and have said that in the past. And Tillman is no spring chicken. I'm also not a huge fan of the S's, starting or depth. But that is nothing you can handle this year early.

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    Peanut shut down the best WR's in the league last season so I wouldn't write him off just yet. I do agree that the Bears have to plan for the future though and this years draft seems to be deep at the position. Let's see just where Emery goes with this come April.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riczaj01 View Post

    I'm not a huge fan of the depth at DB, and have said that in the past. And Tillman is no spring chicken. I'm also not a huge fan of the S's, starting or depth. But that is nothing you can handle this year early.
    If nothing else, I figure it shows us that Emery has a whole lot to think about, and it's not just a situation where he upgrades the offensive line and we're in the Super Bowl. I've read a lot of posts that talk about us having one of the top NFL defenses. That was true for 2012. But teams do not stay static. You're either improving or regressing with existing players - especially as players age.

    I'm just hoping Emery is the personnel whiz that we've been told he is. We will be needing a sharp GM and a bit of luck too, as we ride this out. I see this as needing more than THIS off season to fix. Emery had a nice start in 2012. He will further upgrade the team in 2013. I expect he'll have us right were we need to be in 2014 - and ready to move forward into future seasons as a strong team.
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    I'm hoping that Hardin turns out to be something to provide some depth. I don't wish to see the CB issue evolve into what the LB situation is. Might be a case of getting one later in the draft or FA provided the money is there and perhaps if we do not retain Melton. With things the way they are I can also see it not being addressed though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustAnotherBearsFan99 View Post
    I know the initial reaction is that it's crazy to think about CB's this year. But I don't know. On a side note, I loved seeing Peanut selected for the Pro Bowl, but I thought his game performance made him look pretty pathetic. He got owned, and looked slow & out-classed. Granted, he was going up against the best receivers in the NFL, so maybe I'm over-reacting. Also, maybe he just wasn't up for the game, due to enjoying Hawaii with his family there (I "get it" that it's not a real game).
    Aw come one man it was the f'n Pro Bowl. It's a semi flag football game. You think Peanut was playing even close to the way he does when it's for real? All you needed to see of him going up against the "best of the best" was how he handled Megatron not once but twice last year. Forget what you saw in Hawaii.

    Our CB situation is stable so we don't need to jump on one early. That's where the "cover corners" get drafted and we don't normally look for that type of guy anyway. We want guy who can play facing the QB, can backpedal, have the discipline to play there areas of responsibility well, and can make plays on the ball. I'd like to have another kid with Peanuts size working his way up the ranks this year and if this draft is fairly deep in CBs then we should be able to find one.
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    I wouldn't put too much stock into this. Looks like another one of those articles written in a dead part of the offseason just to find something to write about. Nothing to see here.

    Yeah, I know peanut is 32 and won't last forever. But he's got several good years in him still and we have not one but two pro-bowl CB starters. Throw in backup/#3 options like Hayden, McMannis, Bowman, Frey, and possible a later draft pick, and this is a pretty non-existent "depth problem". Same thing at S with 2 quality starters, 2 serviceable backups, and a rookie in Hardin who should be in the mix.

    JABF, don't watch the Pro Bowl, buddy. It's a waste of time lol.

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    thats funny before the season ended most draft analysis said this is the worst draft for the secondary.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by motownbear View Post
    thats funny before the season ended most draft analysis said this is the worst draft for the secondary.....
    That's because the combine has become the biggest con in pro sports the past 5-10yrs . It's all about 4.3 4.4 40's - and players who were marginal in college / or played in marginal conferences , suddenly begin being talked about potential 1-2 rounders ( and as if they're gonna turn your team's fortunes around if you get them ) when the reality is about 5 of them ( on avg ) will have any real significant impact on their teams .
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    I've maintained all year that CB is going to get an underlooked by fans and the media because of our Pro Bowlers, but the fact is that we have horrible young depth at the position. Like I said a long ways back, it's a good year for those long, tall athletes and it would be wise for us to grab one sooner rather than later. Man if idiots pass on Banks because of his 40 time (technical beasts like Hayden and Flowers say hello, NFL) and he's there in the second, I will jump for joy. I mean, there's just so many of these triangle athletes at the position that it's kind of insane, but at the same time I don't want us to wait until our last picks are on the board for leftovers rather than grab our guy.

    With these OL climbing in a perfect storm where everyone else seems to be falling, a trade down doesn't seem so bad right now if we can pick up a 2/3 pick to address these depth needs with quality.

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