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Originally Posted by
inchibearfan
I just don't understand drafting a TE at 20. How many teams would trade a first round pick for a proven tight end? How many would trade a first round for a proven T or G? If we traded down I would not be opposed to taking Eifert, but I do not believe a TE should be picked as high as 20.
It's not really about what the position could bring in trade (very few vet players at any position are going to command a 1st rounder as trade value) but I understand your overall point and sympathize. TEs aren't that expensive in FA. Nothing like LTs, QBs, WRs, passrushers, etc. Its one of the few places where the added cost of vet FA over young draftee isn't that huge.
Not saying Eifert isn't a promising player, but I'd be leery about jumping at him at #20. I really hope Emery would be able to trade down if we were in that situation with all our top-tier OL guys gone already.
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Originally Posted by
GermansbombedPH
just wait a few more days and you know what'll happen.
I'd like the idea of going hard after 2 OL in Free Agency & TE in Free Agency. Draft D in Round 1 & 2. OL will get much improved via Free Agency. That's the better chance to be successful this offseason when it comes to upgrading the OL. Same with TE. they take some time to develop and get used to the NFL.
I don't understand the logic of this plan at all (other than the TE portion). You are trying to "fix what isn't broken" in the first two rounds of the draft (presumably letting Melton walk in the process) so you can free up cap space to pay for 2 very expensive OLs in FA when this years draft is stacked with very promising OL players at far cheaper cost and greater potential longevity. The opposite of "building through the draft". And I think we all agree that the O and OL in particular is what needs to be "built up".
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Originally Posted by
Riczaj01
I don't think Olsen was better then Dez Clark; sorry but Oslen was not the best TE we've had in decades. I wasn't hurt to see him traded, other then the fact they didn't try and replace him w/any talent. I know some thought that Davis would be it, but I never saw anything special about him.
And thank you for saying it Butka, TJ was WAY over rated by Bears fans. TJ, Benson, and our AP all averaged over 4ypc that year, and I think that Benson had as many TD's w/out as many touches. Benson wasnt a good replacement, but TJ wasn't worth resigning for any real money either.
I never understood the Angelo hate on this one. He tried to trade backwards rather than draft Benson, but when that didn't work, it was between Cadillac and Benson. TJ couldn't understand how the 4th overall draft pick could make more than a guy who was signed after being viewed as a bust, and demanded a trade after the SB.
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Originally Posted by
Riczaj01
I don't think Olsen was better then Dez Clark; sorry but Oslen was not the best TE we've had in decades. I wasn't hurt to see him traded, other then the fact they didn't try and replace him w/any talent. I know some thought that Davis would be it, but I never saw anything special about him.
I liked Dez Clark as an all-around solid TE. He's probably the best all around TE that I can remember in recent years, so thanks for correcting me. Olsen is probably the best receiving TE we've had in a long time though. This year he was #4 in the entire NFL for receiving yards (LINK). Cutler needs a TE who can catch a football.
On a side note, I was thinking this morning that I need to let the past go, and just look forward to things being better now. I sure hope Trestman does well.
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Originally Posted by
JustAnotherBearsFan99
I liked Dez Clark as an all-around solid TE. He's probably the best all around TE that I can remember in recent years, so thanks for correcting me. Olsen is probably the best receiving TE we've had in a long time though.
This year he was #4 in the entire NFL for receiving yards (LINK). Cutler needs a TE who can catch a football.
On a side note, I was thinking this morning that I need to let the past go, and just look forward to things being better now. I sure hope Trestman does well.
The guy who was #6 on that list (and only 37 yards behind Olsen) just happens to be a 27 year old likely-available-FA this year. Ahem...cough cough....hint hint.
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If the Bears are staying at 20, they need to get an O-lineman. IMO they can get a Te through FA or 2nd pick and beyond.
Upgrading Davis isn't a chore lol...even if they can't land a home-run kinda guy, getting someone who's actually serviceable at that position is all they really need for now.
The cap isn't going to allow them to obtain a high profile existing NFL Te, and IMO the Te class this year doesn't have one big time Te in which you would use a 1st round pick for.
My gut says they might not approach it with that mentality, but at the same time my gut says i'm going to win the lottery every time i buy a ticket lol
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Punished, I think that is the general idea; but if there isn't worth taking, do you still take one? If everyone from Fluker or above are gone, you really grabbing a guy that is expected to go in the 2nd w/the 20th overall pick? b/c right now the mock's don't have another OL going after fluker, and some show him going before the Bears pick at 20.
That why you start looking at TE or DT or MLB, or moving back incase something like that happens. B/c if those are the "impact" guys, then you really don't need to reach at 20 to get a solid OL, b/c those can be had in spades in the 2-4th rounds.
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Originally Posted by
Riczaj01
Punished, I think that is the general idea; but if there isn't worth taking, do you still take one? If everyone from Fluker or above are gone, you really grabbing a guy that is expected to go in the 2nd w/the 20th overall pick? b/c right now the mock's don't have another OL going after fluker, and some show him going before the Bears pick at 20.
That why you start looking at TE or DT or MLB, or moving back incase something like that happens. B/c if those are the "impact" guys, then you really don't need to reach at 20 to get a solid OL, b/c those can be had in spades in the 2-4th rounds.
I agree with Ric. If all the marquee OLs are off the board by 20 (I certainly hope not but IF), I don't think you draft an over-rated Teo, an inexpensive Eifert, or an irresponsible Ogletree. I think you you draft an OL you can get later either. I would hope Emery could find a trading-down partner in this scenario (San Fran?).
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this is a luxury pick and the way i look at our team we dont have that luxury considering we are on the verge of a rebuild on defense and offense still out of sync
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Originally Posted by
Riczaj01
Punished, I think that is the general idea; but if there isn't worth taking, do you still take one? If everyone from Fluker or above are gone, you really grabbing a guy that is expected to go in the 2nd w/the 20th overall pick? b/c right now the mock's don't have another OL going after fluker, and some show him going before the Bears pick at 20.
That why you start looking at TE or DT or MLB, or moving back incase something like that happens. B/c if those are the "impact" guys, then you really don't need to reach at 20 to get a solid OL, b/c those can be had in spades in the 2-4th rounds.
I don't invest much into Mocks myself... NFL.com has 10 guys making mocks and they are all different with guys like Fluker going before, after, and being drafted by the Bears. WF.com has Fluker going to Indy, a few picks after the Bears, and the Bears picking a WR.
If we go off of nfl.com's grades of O-linemen LINK they have 8 O-linemen rated at 85 or above, with 85 being considered...
Immediate Starter - "An impact player with the ability/intangibles to become a Pro Bowl player. Expect to start immediately except in a unique situation (i.e. behind a veteran starter)."
...i realize that nfl.com isn't right 100% of the time but IF they are, then there will be plenty of O-linemen, OR there will be a lot of talent still left on the board.
My original post was with the mind set that there would be at least one quality O-lineman left at 20. If 8 o-linemen go before 20 then of course i wouldn't take an o-lineman lol