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Bears 'up against cap' after Tuesday's spree
Bears 'up against cap' after Tuesday's spreeMarch, 13, 2013Mar 133:59PM CT By Kevin Seifert | ESPNChicago.com
The dust began settling Wednesday for the Chicago Bears following their triumphant dive into free agency. After signing left tackle Jermon Bushrod (five years, $39.5 million) and tight end Martellus Bennett (four years, $20 million), the Bears cut ties with three veterans and watched a fourth begin taking visits elsewhere. Tight ends Kellen Davis and Matt Spaeth, along with defensive tackle Matt Toeaina, will all be set free. Their departures will carve out a modest salary-cap savings, a little over $5 million, but it's still fair to ask how much more the Bears can do this offseason given their financial constraints. "We are up against the cap," general manager Phil Emery told reporters. "There isn't a lot of wiggle room." Whether it was genuine or for the consumption of agents, Emery painted a limited picture of the Bears' future action. Emery: "Are we going to be able to go out and sign in the UFA market a starting guard? No." As a result, linebacker Nick Roach planned a visit to the Oakland Raiders. Meanwhile, middle linebacker Brian Urlacher's future remains in limbo. "We've approached him about coming back," Emery said. "As far as working it out, that's an ongoing process." As with most things, free agency is a give and take. The Bears have taken two of the best players off the market. As a result, they'll have to give in other areas. That's usually how it works.
looks like the bears will be looking for interior lineman and linebackers in the draft...
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Bushrod counts a little more than $3 million against the cap for 2013, while Bennett will carry a cap hit of $1.94 million.
I don't get it. He says the Bears saved a 'modest' $5+ million in cap space by cutting Davis, Spaeth and Big Toe???? Well it only cost us a little less to sign these guys according to this article. So the way I see it, the Bears have exactly the same amount of money as they did before we signed them. This was another meticulous strike by the Emery!
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What I am finding interesting is the fact that we haven't heard a word about Emery trying to rework any deals with our own players. Many of you have talked about restructuring different plays deals to give us some CAP room. I don't know if its just that we haven't started any talks or the Bears aren't interested in restucturing any deals or the worst case the players are interested in what the Bears have offered. Right now its going to be very hard for the Bears to sign any of ther FA players unless they find the CAP room needed.
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Originally Posted by
JJ-30
What I am finding interesting is the fact that we haven't heard a word about Emery trying to rework any deals with our own players. Many of you have talked about restructuring different plays deals to give us some CAP room. I don't know if its just that we haven't started any talks or the Bears aren't interested in restucturing any deals or the worst case the players are interested in what the Bears have offered. Right now its going to be very hard for the Bears to sign any of ther FA players unless they find the CAP room needed.
This is actually one of the things that makes me think that Emery may be one of the very top GMs in the business. It is SOOOO easy to mortgage your future to get players today. And there is no guarantee that it will pay off today. Ask Snyder or the dream team. So most of the time you get no success today and are stuck with no success tomorrow because of it.
It takes real work to get good players in without short changing the CAP future. This year will probably be the last year that Peppers will be affordable. Next year he will have to either be cut or restructured. And although I still consider him to be elite, he is starting to break down a little and even though he is a freak of nature, how much longer can he play at this level given his age. Maybe a year or two? So why take and spread his cap out to the next few years when this year may be the last productive one. If it is, then letting him go next year will impact us the least if we don't restructure his contract. Then we have more money into replacing him.
I am not a big fan of mortgaging your future and Emery seems to operate this way. We will be doing well in cap space in future years of Emery continues to work this way. We have to just through these years of Angelo/Smith deals and make it to the other side. I have no idea how he pulled it off but we actually have made two substantial upgrades and are sitting a little better capwise than we were before with no restructuring.
I DO NOT like letting people go like Louis and Collins though... (Is Collins still with us?). I think he needs to start letting go of whoever else he doesn't like and start signing the guys he does like. And if it means adding an extra year to people like Tillman, then those guys he should restructure. I am assuming Tillman will be productive for more than another year, but he is also getting older.
I am trusting what he does. I just hope that we do not lose lots of good people because of it.
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Emery: Cap constraints will limit spending
The Chicago Bears are “up against the cap,” in the words of general manager Phil Emery, in terms of the salary flexibility needed to sign draft picks and manage their way through a season with injuries. But that doesn’t mean the Bears have exhausted all of their resources toward building the roster in 2013. It just means they are going to be deliberate and weigh all factors when moving forward, knowing that a decision today could have ramifications in 2014 and 2015. The Bears have significant holes on defense with no one under contract to play middle linebacker, strong-side linebacker and nickel cornerback. There is no depth behind the starters at defensive tackle and they are in need of another defensive end. The offensive line also is in flux with a tackle and guard on the need list. All are positions that could be filled, in part, through the draft next month. But the Bears will need to continue signing players in free agency, be it their own free agents or players from the outside. Just don’t have big expectations after Emery signed left tackle Jermon Bushrod and tight end Martellus Bennett at the outset of free agency. A big surprise move isn’t coming. “It doesn’t shut us down,” Emery said. “It just means that every signing is going to be scrutinized in terms of current cap implications and future. There aren’t a lot of dollars, there is not a lot of room to wiggle. When we talk to free agents and when we talk contract negotiations with free agents and the implications of those, definitely that is always in the forefront for us. “So, in terms of flexibility, are we going to be able to go out and sign a starting right tackle at starting right tackle money? No. Are we going to be able to go out and sign in the UFA market a starting guard? No.” That’s probably bad news for right guard Lance Louis if he’s seeking a big pay day from the Bears. Ditto defensive lineman Israel Idonije, strong-side linebacker Nick Roach, nickel cornerback Kelvin Hayden and right tackle Jonathan Scott -- not to mention middle linebacker Brian Urlacher. But it’s possible some of these players will return to the Bears after exploring the market. Maybe some of them find there’s not much better than the minimum available elsewhere. It’s too early to tell. The soft cap in the NFL will allow the Bears to carve out more cap room if Emery feels the club absolutely has to have flexibility. Contracts for players such as defensive end Julius Peppers, running back Matt Forte and linebacker Lance Briggs can be reworked. They wouldn’t take a pay cut. Money would just be moved around with base salaries converted into bonus money, allowing the team to spread the cap hit out over future seasons. That takes today’s issue, though, and makes it an issue for 2014 and 2015, depending on what type of restructure is done. Emery wants to do as little borrowing from the future as needed. “We don’t want to create those kinds of problems, so if we’re going to be in a position where we sign a player that there is a lot of discussion about ... how does this balance out?” Emery said. “Who has to be released and what kind of future impact does it have on the cap overall? “We are up against the cap. So, we are going to have to be very slow and methodical and make sure that every decision that we make is going to be in the best interest of our team moving forward in terms of putting the best players on the field to win. I would anticipate we are going to have a spread of signings and it will be in small bits more than batches.” bmbiggs@tribune.com Brad Biggs tweeted this link a little while ago
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Originally Posted by
bearsinhouston
This is actually one of the things that makes me think that Emery may be one of the very top GMs in the business. It is SOOOO easy to mortgage your future to get players today. And there is no guarantee that it will pay off today. Ask Snyder or the dream team. So most of the time you get no success today and are stuck with no success tomorrow because of it.
It takes real work to get good players in without short changing the CAP future. This year will probably be the last year that Peppers will be affordable. Next year he will have to either be cut or restructured. And although I still consider him to be elite, he is starting to break down a little and even though he is a freak of nature, how much longer can he play at this level given his age. Maybe a year or two? So why take and spread his cap out to the next few years when this year may be the last productive one. If it is, then letting him go next year will impact us the least if we don't restructure his contract. Then we have more money into replacing him.
I am not a big fan of mortgaging your future and Emery seems to operate this way. We will be doing well in cap space in future years of Emery continues to work this way. We have to just through these years of Angelo/Smith deals and make it to the other side. I have no idea how he pulled it off but we actually have made two substantial upgrades and are sitting a little better capwise than we were before with no restructuring.
I DO NOT like letting people go like Louis and Collins though... (Is Collins still with us?). I think he needs to start letting go of whoever else he doesn't like and start signing the guys he does like. And if it means adding an extra year to people like Tillman, then those guys he should restructure. I am assuming Tillman will be productive for more than another year, but he is also getting older.
I am trusting what he does. I just hope that we do not lose lots of good people because of it.
Yeah, there's a point where the extension/restructure game gets dangerous. Teams like Wash and Dallas and Philly have overdone it and found themselves in cap hell. We aren't near that point by any means.
We are $5.6m under right now. Thats pretty much precisely what it will take to sign draftees and maintain a $2m emergency reserve. IOW, unless theres some more (unforeseen) cuts coming, we MUST rework a contract or two even to sign our own FAs much less some 2nd/3rd tier outside ones. Its gonna happen whether Emery likes it or not. There's no choice.
I wouldn't touch Peppers contract. He's already re-structured once which is why his cap hit is so high this year and next. Leave that one alone and eat the hit this year. But you could easily free up $8-10m by converting Forte's roster bonus into a signing bonus and extending Tillman 2 years. I don't consider those high risk or "robbing Peter to pay Paul" deals. Neither of them are in any danger of being cut/released in the next few years barring major injury. And we will have sunstantially more cap wiggle room in '15 than we do in '13 from everything I have read.
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Yeah, there's a point where the extension/restructure game gets dangerous. Teams like Wash and Dallas and Philly have overdone it and found themselves in cap hell. We aren't near that point by any means.
We are $5.6m under right now. Thats pretty much precisely what it will take to sign draftees and maintain a $2m emergency reserve. IOW, unless theres some more (unforeseen) cuts coming, we MUST rework a contract or two even to sign our own FAs much less some 2nd/3rd tier outside ones. Its gonna happen whether Emery likes it or not. There's no choice.
I wouldn't touch Peppers contract. He's already re-structured once which is why his cap hit is so high this year and next. Leave that one alone and eat the hit this year. But you could easily free up $8-10m by converting Forte's roster bonus into a signing bonus and extending Tillman 2 years. I don't consider those high risk or "robbing Peter to pay Paul" deals. Neither of them are in any danger of being cut/released in the next few years barring major injury. And we will have sunstantially more cap wiggle room in '15 than we do in '13 from everything I have read.
This is where Cliff Stein comes in. He is one of the best "Cap Specialists" in the league and I'm sure he is working overtime to make the best of the current situation. Teams like Dallas (insert Jones joke here) and Washington (insert Snyder joke here) and even Philly do not have him but WE DO !
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I just posted the details of Bennett's and Bushrod's deal and combined their first year cap costs are $4.955 mil. That's roughly the same amount we gained through the release of Davis, Spaeth, and Toe.
So from the looks of it we're on a cash and carry basis but since we released players to gain what was spent on Bushrod and Bennett we should still have some cap space left to work with beyond that which is may be earmarked for rookies.
The figures the have been written vary but if we stared out with around $7 mil under the cap we should still be somewhere in that neighborhood. Take away half that for rookie signings and with no other contract restructures we have around $3.0-$3.5 mil left to work with.
That's far less than needed to get even our own guys re-signed so either they restructure some deals or there'll be a few more players released. The trouble is I don't see who they could let go that would gain them much.
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Originally Posted by
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... so either they restructure some deals or there'll be a few more players released. The trouble is I don't see who they could let go that would gain them much.
I've got one. Davis was so bad, I say we release him once more.
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Originally Posted by
JJ-30
What I am finding interesting is the fact that we haven't heard a word about Emery trying to rework any deals with our own players. Many of you have talked about restructuring different plays deals to give us some CAP room. I don't know if its just that we haven't started any talks or the Bears aren't interested in restucturing any deals or the worst case the players are interested in what the Bears have offered. Right now its going to be very hard for the Bears to sign any of ther FA players unless they find the CAP room needed.
That's exactly what I've been pondering. I keep thinking "why not, what are you waiting for"?
From a pure it makes no sense not to standpoint there's Tillman who should get an extension that could easily cut his cap cost in half and with it a savings of around $4 mil. He's shown no signs of slowing down at all and no reason why he shouldn't be extended before his current deal expires.
Then there's Jennings whose cap cost increased significantly by virtue of the salary increase he gets based on his play last years. An extension should be able to shave $2-$3 mil from his cap cost as well and based on his play I can't see any reason not to extend him either. Even if we were to draft a bigger CB he'd still make a great NB.
So if we're $6-$7 mil under the cap now these moves would about double that and cover about what it will take to do one year deals with Izzy and Urlacher and still leave enough for Louis and rookie deals. But the elephant in the room is still Pep's deal. Maybe they've been kicking it around among themselves and maybe they've even discussed it with him but Emery has also said they're proceeding very cautiously and justifying every dollar both present and future.
I know a lot of guys feel we should redo his deal but I see an opportunity to to it in a way that after the 2014 season we could release him and gain a significant amount of cap space back. The only question they should be concerned with is whether or not Pep can continue to produce at his current level for another two years. If it was me I would do it but then again they're not me.
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