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    Should Emery extend Cutler's contract this year?

    The cap space issues surprised me this year. Usually, I don't pay much attention to cap stuff. And this season all I heard was that we had plenty of cap space to work with.

    But I guess it was a wake up call for me, when I realized the money we have is very limited. Especially when you consider how expensive it is, just to keep our own good players under contract. As one poster put it, we don't want to get Flacco'd next year with Cutler's contract.

    Right now, Cutler has publicly said he would be willing to give Chicago a home town discount. But, with the offense getting upgraded, and with a solid OC now in place - Cutler and the Bears could have a really good year. Cutler could end up being far more expensive to sign if this happens.

    With this in mind, should Emery extend Cutler's contract this year? Or should he wait until the season is over like the Ravens did with Flacco? Doing a contract extension early could save enough money to help the team sign/keep other solid talent here. What do you think?
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    Cutler will be very expensive next year..


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    I say yes, but you never know with Emery. I start to think that Cutler is not a fit for the scheme Trestman wants to play. I wouldn't be surprised to see us taking QB Nassib later in the draft if available and have that type of QB Trestman may prefer.

    We will not extend him during the summer, that's for sure. It would have happened already. Looks like the NFC is between the 9ers, Seahawks and Falcons this coming season. We won't win the SB for that matter. Could get Culter with a good Cap Hit for 2014/15 and go all in

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    I've said it before, and I'll say it again, we should extend both Cutler and Marshall THIS year and try to gain some cap relief THIS year to give us more room to give Jay better protection RIGHT AWAY. I know there are many Cutler doubters, but when you watch him play, the guy is gifted. Yea, the guy makes poor decisions occasionally, but so have MANY of the greatest QB's in history, not the least of which was Brett Favre. The difference is, most of those great QB's had at least "good" protection, and a good to great receiving corp. Give Cutler a competent OC (which we all hope he now has, first time since he's been here), adequate protection and now, even better weapons, and it all adds up to a pretty good year for him this year, even WITH learning yet another new offense. Sign him now, because he will only be more expensive after a good year. Besides, if he fails and we have to search for yet another young QB, we stand an even bigger risk of failing than if we keep Jay and he's not ALL THAT. Even with his warts that we know about, he's still better than most QB's we could bring in through the draft (unknown quantities).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry Burris View Post
    Cutler will be very expensive next year..
    I agree...as will Marshall (a year later). Both could be extended as a "package deal" (which is what they want anyway) this offseason for far cheaper than will likely be possible next year, freeing up some hefty cap space in the process. The question really is:

    What's the greater risk...being Flacco'd or being Kolb'd???

    Is JC's heir apparent on the roster? NO, And it won't be next year either unless we go 3-13 this season. Does anybody here really truly think that Cutler won't be the Bears' best option at starting QB for 2014? Even if Jeffery comes on nicely, does anyone here really truly think that BMarsh won't be the Bears' best option for #1 WR in 2014? The same argument can be made for Peanut even though he's a few older than those 2.

    Extend them both now with some healthy incentives built in as a substitute for "making him/them play for a contract". That's much smarter but I doubt it will happen with a new coaching regime just starting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MPBears68 View Post
    I agree...as will Marshall (a year later). Both could be extended as a "package deal" (which is what they want anyway) this offseason for far cheaper than will likely be possible next year, freeing up some hefty cap space in the process. The question really is:

    What's the greater risk...being Flacco'd or being Kolb'd???

    Is JC's heir apparent on the roster? NO, And it won't be next year either unless we go 3-13 this season. Does anybody here really truly think that Cutler won't be the Bears' best option at starting QB for 2014? Even if Jeffery comes on nicely, does anyone here really truly think that BMarsh won't be the Bears' best option for #1 WR in 2014? The same argument can be made for Peanut even though he's a few older than those 2.

    Extend them both now with some healthy incentives built in as a substitute for "making him/them play for a contract". That's much smarter but I doubt it will happen with a new coaching regime just starting.
    I agree with this thinking. I'm beginning to realize how important it is to think multi-year in managing the cap. You make excellent points that Marshall and Cutler are going to be re-signed anyway. Why not save some very precious cap space for future years by signing them now - and save a boatload of money for keeping the team talent high in future years.

    If not, then we will pay through the nose and fail to have as much money for OTHER player signings (and retaining OTHER players we already have).

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    I posted my opinion some time back....

    In the last 4 years the Bears have played 5 QBs, Collins (oof!), Haine, McCown, Campbell, and the starter Cutler. Whenever someone other than Cutler has been at QB the Bears have played worse than with him. While this can be dismissed as "those guys are all back-ups" it should also be considered that the Bears traded away Orton, who was having a problem with not being able to go through his reads, find the open man, and throw it before the defensive rush got to him. This was because Orton needed at least 2.5 seconds to do these things, and most pass rushes were getting to him in 2.0 to 2.2 seconds (in one case a team was able to get to Orton in 1.8 seconds). (NOTE: only Ortons' last season is valid for comparison due to different players during Ortons' earlier seasons versus Cutlers' first season.) The fact is Cutler has been able to win, where other QBs have lost. This is with the same OL, and the same WRs, and the same RB. Who was it that said that "Great players elevate the (game)play of the players around them"?

    Next, there is the OL itself. As poorly ranked as this O-Line has been, how likely is any other QB going to do well? Yes, there are QBs coming out of college who are able to transform a team, however, it stands to reason that there are more of them that can do it from behind an O-Line that can protect well. Not improving the O-Line means that bad QB play must be solely on the QB, therefore, if the QB is unable to perform, an new QB is needed. This forces the team to find a great, mobile and/or hard to tackle QB, instead of only having to find a great QB. This reduces a teams chances of finding a great QB for this team considerably. I would think the reduction would be between 50 and 90% While the percentages are my opinion, the basic logic is difficult to dispute.
    Now it is possible that the O-line will be dramatically improved by new coaching, scheme, the addition of new talent, and the physical recovery of some players, but I've heard that before. The reality is that a improved O-line is not guaranteed. Further, Emery/Trestman have to plan not just for next season, but seasons beyond as well. I will not assume that all of the problems on the O-Line will be "fixed" in a single off season. It is more likely that it will take AT LEAST 2 seasons, more if things go poorly. The Bears know that the team can be successful with Cutler behind a bad O-Line. The alternative is for the Bears roll the dice on a "new" QB while building the O-Line, and this just leads us back to where we are. Is it the QB? The O-Line? Both? Who knows? And the circle of blame and the lack of accountability continue... Nope, not where I want to be if I'm a team, coach, or GM. Bottom line here is that Cutler is (at a bare minimum) a known quantity, and it will be easier to gauge the O-Lines progress with the same QB.

    Further, keeping Cutler establishes a bar for his replacement. If a player wants to be the starting QB, he has to be better than Cutler. The beautiful thing about this idea is that if you are a member of the "Jay Cutler Sucks!" crowd, then this would mean that the bar is set rather low, and soon, some UDFA, or, some late round draft pick that was cut by another team that the Bears signed, will be taking over the starting QB spot in just a year or two, and Jay will be Cut (ba-doom-tish) from the team. If you are in the "Jay is a Great QB!" crowd then Jay will be here for some time to come. This is a competitive concept, may the best man win.

    As an added benefit, Cutler will have been signed when his value is low, rather than paying for his peak performance with the expectation that said peak performance will be maintained.
    ...and my opinion has still not changed. This is the second or third time that I have quoted myself.... Makes me question my sanity....

    That being said, I suspect that Halas Hall (HH) is of a different opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustAnotherBearsFan99 View Post
    I agree with this thinking. I'm beginning to realize how important it is to think multi-year in managing the cap. You make excellent points that Marshall and Cutler are going to be re-signed anyway. Why not save some very precious cap space for future years by signing them now - and save a boatload of money for keeping the team talent high in future years.

    If not, then we will pay through the nose and fail to have as much money for OTHER player signings (and retaining OTHER players we already have).

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    Yep. I have great faith in the Emery-Stein team and I salute them for the wise and economical moves (Bushrod, Bennett, Melton) they've made and NOT made (letting Roach walk rather than overpay) so far this offseason. Jury is still out on Urlacher and getting Melton signed to a LT deal.

    My one complaint, and I believe it to be a fair criticism, is that they have been a little TOO CAREFUL with not extending some key players when they have the chance and it makes personnel/financial sense (near and longer term). For example, I can't see any logical reason to not extend both our starting CBs. Both are coming off pro-bowl years, neither is imminently replaceable, and there is no reason to believe that each wont be playing at a high level for several years to come as STARTERS FOR THE BEARS. Tillman keeps himself in tip-top shape, has no off-field issues, and star CBs not infrequently play and play well into their mid-30s. The position doesn't have the wear-and-tear that you see with RBs or DTs for instance. Jennings maybe doesn't have quite the body of career accomplishment that Peanut does but he's also several year younger and just played his best ball this past year AFTER being re-signed as a FA last offseason because...the Bears couldn't find a better candidate. Injuries and unexpected-decline are always risks but these two situations are pretty clear-cut IMO as being very reasonable risks worth taking.

    I already detailed how very similar arguments can be made via BMarsh and Cutler. The former is a perennial pro-bowler who has turned his previously tumultuous personal life around for the far better and proven himself on and off the field. The latter plays the most important and expensive (money wise & draft wise) position on the field and, lets face it, isn't going to be replaced anytime soon. Heck, we don't even have a young #2 yet much less an up-and-coming future starter. Stein can/ought to be able to construct cap-friendly contracts for all 4 of these players that lock them up an additional 2-3 years, make them happy now (rewarding 3 of the 4 for outstanding seasons in '12), and contain some bonuses built-in to incentivize continued production. Consider also that we may need to save our one FT next year for a guy like Wooten if he kicks ass this season a la the Melton situation currently.

    The only one previously mentioned I would NOT touch is Peppers. He's already been restructured once and it's not realistic to believe that he will play at a high level beyond his current deal (which goes through 2015 I believe). That's my "armchair GM" take on it but wtf do I know lol...

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    Let me start by saying that I believe in Jay Cutler, think he will flourish now that he has receivers (still need one more), a better O-Line (still need 1-2 more), and a coach who understands offense and actually knows what he's doing. I absolutely think that Jay can not only win a Super Bowl with the Bears, but can become a top 5or so QB.

    Last year, media morons pissed me off saying "NOW IT'S ALL ON JAY!!1!" after "he pouted and got his OC fired, got a handpicked OC (except not really), got a handpicked QB coach (who happened to be the only guy who would take the job) and got the Bears to trade for his BFF and security blanket (you know, who also happens to be one of the top three receivers in football." The media said it was put up or shut up time for Jay, and he had a bad season for a variety of reason.

    The media is now saying the same thing again, "Okay, Jay, you had to be a big shot and have 'competent receivers' with a line that can actually block and a coaching staff that isn't consulting the book Offense for Dummies for ideas before 3rd and 8. You were such a petulant child that you made the Bears improve the team to the point where they had an offensive mind on the coaching staff and players around you who weren't terrible, you jagoff. Now you'd better play well." As much as I hate hearing that from the media (and several posters), it's now the truth. I don't want to say that Jay has run out of excuses because I don't think he ever made any, but the organization has gradually addressed pretty much all the problems that added to Jay's failures. Maybe Trestman is a terrible coach, but I don't think so. At the very least, we will be strong on the tackles next year, which is a huge upgrade over where we have been in the past (and I imagine the C and Gs will be addressed in free agency and the draft). He has a good TE, a great receiver, a really good young receiver and a possession guy in Earl. And we can't forget Forte. The Bears look like a respectable team on the offensive side of the ball.

    Jay will be expected to win now. Maybe it's unfair that Jay will be put in a situation where he has to hit the ground running and put up huge numbers right away under a new scheme, to make up for the past four years, but that is the situation. As much as I think he absolutely can succeed, he hasn't yet. It's not fair to him, but it's the truth. I think seeing how Campbell (who is a decent pro QB) played last year shows just how difficult Jay had it with the coaching and talent around him. Still, in his time with the Bears, I would say the only time he really made people around him better was in 2011 before he got injured. Emery and Trestman's futures depend on the QB position, and they need Jay to prove that he can be better. No matter who slumps or gets injured, I believe that Jay absolutely has to take a big step this season. If he doesn't, they aren't going to give him the benefit of the doubt. They are going to start looking for "their" QB. Since there is a chance Jay is not in their long term plans, they absolutley can't extend him now. It would be a disaster if they gave Jay a big extention and then had to cut him two years later.

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    Do we have any room in the cap?

    edit: As of this morning, Bears have $5.45 million in salary cap space, according to a league source. Per Shawn Jensen.
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