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    Gil Brandt: "NFL draft steals" (second and third rounds)

    I think this draft is incredibly deep at a number of positions. These two articles are interesting.


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    Terron Armstead, Barrett Jones among potential NFL draft steals

    By this point in the year, many of us have become quite familiar with the big-name prospects, the Luke Joeckels and Eric Fishers of the world who project as first-round picks and immediate-impact rookies. But what about the guys who aren't being talked about? What about the firmly under-the-radar prospects who are likely to be picked in the second and third rounds of the 2013 NFL Draft?


    As I wrote last week, this draft class is underrated and much better than many think. This sentiment applies to the depth that can be found after Day 1.


    Every draft is different. People think having a lack of attention-grabbing names means it's a bad year to be drafting. No one in this class can match 2012 headliners Andrew Luck and Robert Griffin III or 2011 standout Cam Newton -- in fact, last year's eighth overall pick, Miami Dolphins quarterback Ryan Tannehill, would probably be the first player off the board this year. But several high-ceiling prospects will be entering the league in 2013. Moreover, the second-tier talent (players who will be picked from 11 to 50 or so) is better than the talent at that level in last year's draft. This is going to be a quality draft, despite what folks are saying.


    Teams seem to know this. Just look at what's happening at pro days; I've never seen as much activity by coaches at these events as I've seen this year. Brian Winters, for example, is a relatively unknown offensive line prospect from Kent State who must look pretty good to NFL folks, as he had seven line coaches from six different teams work him out at his pro day.


    With that in mind, I've put together a list (in alphabetical order) of 12 second- or third-round picks who are going to outperform their draft positions. These are the Russell Wilson-type guys who, after they've been in the league, are going to draw comments like, 'Gee, he should have been drafted higher.' "


    First, a disclaimer: This list isn't meant to be all-inclusive. There are many likely second- and third-rounders -- like Winters -- who are going to make an impact but aren't one of the 12 named in this piece. This was merely a "get to know you" exercise meant to illustrate the sheer depth of talent that will be available come April.


    Terron Armstead, OT, Arkansas-Pine Bluff
    Armstead is a very good athlete who has everything needed to be a starter by his second year in the NFL. He even got involved in a skill-position capacity last season, handling the ball on a tight end screen against Jackson State; he is versatile enough to contribute at tight end or defensive end. He's also a really smart kid.


    Le'Veon Bell, RB, Michigan State
    Bell worked out well and ran faster than people thought he would at the NFL Scouting Combine. He also posted a 6.75-second three-cone drill, indicating good change-of-direction skills. Bell rushed for 1,793 yards last season, fifth-most in FBS college football. He needs to control his weight, but will be a starter. He reminds me somewhat of Chuck Muncie, except without the glasses.


    Johnathan Franklin, RB, UCLA
    Franklin finished his Bruins career with 4,403 yards, most in school history and fifth-most all time in the Pac-10/12. He had issues with fumbling early on in college, but that can always be corrected. I like players who have shown the kind of production he had while playing at a school like UCLA and in a conference like the Pac-12. Franklin, who has interned in the Los Angeles mayor's office, wants to be the mayor of L.A. someday.


    Travis Frederick, C, Wisconsin
    If you were to look at his picture in Wisconsin's media guide and his profile picture from the combine, you'd think you were looking at two different people; in the first photo, he's a clean-looking kid, and in the second, he looks like a mountain man. Frederick was the first offensive lineman to start a Wisconsin season opener as a true freshman. He has experience starting at center and left guard. He recorded just 21 reps in the bench press, but I can't detect any lack of strength in his play. Scouts say he's a better prospect than former Badgers lineman Kevin Zeitler, who started for the Cincinnati Bengals as a rookie last season.


    Marquise Goodwin, WR, Texas
    The thing I like about this guy is that almost immediately after competing in the long jump at the London Olympics last summer, he hopped on a plane back to Austin so he could get involved with the football team workouts as soon as possible. He's not as quick-footed as Tavon Austin, but Goodwin did have the combine's fastest time (4.27 seconds) in the 40-yard dash. Teams love speed; you can always teach a guy to catch the ball better, but you can't teach speed. Somebody is going to take a chance on Goodwin.


    Barrett Jones, OG, Alabama
    For some reason, Jones, who didn't work out at the combine because of a foot issue, isn't ranked all that highly by scouts. But any time a guy starts at Alabama for four years, there has to be something good about him. He might not be as strong as you would like, but he has long arms (34 inches). He's a lot like Jeff Saturday in that we're not talking about him much now, but when he retires in a decade or so, some team will be trying to figure out how to replace a very smart player. To put it simply, his man does not make plays against him. Jones won the Rimington Trophy, given to the nation's top center, last season.


    Vance McDonald, TE, Rice
    McDonald, who's from a small town in Texas, is a clutch player, securing first downs on 28 of 36 catches in 2012. He reminds me of another Rice product, tight end James Casey, who played well for the Houston Texans over the past four years before landing a deal with the Philadelphia Eagles on Tuesday. McDonald shocked everyone with how well he worked out at the combine; his numbers (4.69 40, 7.08-second three-cone) really catapulted his stock.


    Denard Robinson, WR, Michigan
    This guy has a magnetic personality; he's going to be a great team leader. Wherever he ends up playing, he'll be a very good return man. The former college signal-caller might even be useful taking a few snaps at quarterback in an option package or in short-yardage situations. I would try to draft the speedy Robinson as a cornerback, which is how he was recruited at one point by Michigan. He was dealing with an elbow injury at the combine, and it will take some time before he's back to 100 percent.


    Brian Schwenke, C, Cal
    Offensive linemen from Cal have done very well in the NFL in recent years; Mitchell Schwartz, who started for the Cleveland Browns as a rookie last season, is an example. Schwenke should continue the tradition. The first-team All-Pac-12 player is versatile, having started games at center and both guard spots. He posted good numbers at the combine, including 31 reps on the bench press and a 4.99 40. He's a good foot athlete.


    Dion Sims, TE, Michigan State
    Sims lost a significant amount of weight before his weigh-in at the combine. I like that; it shows dedication and control. Sims is a very good blocker with soft hands, collecting 59 catches for 707 yards and eight touchdowns in three seasons at Michigan State. For his size (262 pounds), his 40 time (4.75 seconds) was remarkable. He also practiced with the basketball team during his freshman year in East Lansing.


    Jamar Taylor, CB, Boise State
    Taylor had a very good combine, posting a 4.39 40, a 6.82 cone and a 4.06 short shuttle. Though his arms aren't very long, he does have jumping ability. With his speed and athleticism, he'll be capable of starting at cornerback as a rookie.


    Markus Wheaton, WR, Oregon State
    Wheaton runs precise routes and has very good hands. He posted great numbers (4.45 40, 6.80-second three-cone and 37-inch vertical) at the combine. I think he'll be a starter and productive NFL player. Here's an amazing thing: Wheaton and Oregon's Dion Jordan, who is projected to be a top-10 pick, both played receiver at Chandler High School in Chandler, Ariz. Can you imagine having two players like that on one high school team?


    Receivers Ryan Swope (Texas A&M) and Kenny Stills (Oklahoma) are two more guys who I think can outperform their draft positions, though I don't think they're going to be selected until the fourth round or so.


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    I really really really want one of those three OCs by the time our second pick is made. Jones is my preferred but get one of them please, Phil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MPBears68 View Post
    I really really really want one of those three OCs by the time our second pick is made. Jones is my preferred but get one of them please, Phil.
    The heck of it is, that if Emery simply fixes the oline this year, the rest of the existing offense is going to look lights-out better. Not just the passing game, but the running game too. Emery will come out looking like a stinking genius.

    The offense will more than off-set any marginal decline in the defense this year.
    Trestman - Kromer - Tucker - DeCamillis

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    Quote Originally Posted by MPBears68 View Post
    I really really really want one of those three OCs by the time our second pick is made. Jones is my preferred but get one of them please, Phil.

    I really, really hope we land up with Jones and one of the 2 stud LG's available at 20 in the first round. It's a tough call with no 3rd so what do you do? Wait until the 4th for a LB? But this could be the one chance to finally get the OL fixed for years to come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustAnotherBearsFan99 View Post
    The heck of it is, that if Emery simply fixes the oline this year, the rest of the existing offense is going to look lights-out better. Not just the passing game, but the running game too. Emery will come out looking like a stinking genius.

    The offense will more than off-set any marginal decline in the defense this year.
    I've actually alluded to this a couple of times but in thinking about it I'm not sure the high flying West Coast offense is designed to ground and pound it down the opposing D's throat. Clock control/scoring is one way to preserve and help this D at least until next year when we will have more CAP and a full set of draft choices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dabears View Post
    I've actually alluded to this a couple of times but in thinking about it I'm not sure the high flying West Coast offense is designed to ground and pound it down the opposing D's throat. Clock control/scoring is one way to preserve and help this D at least until next year when we will have more CAP and a full set of draft choices.
    Good point.

    And the team doesn't have to put up big numbers running. But we desperately need to be ABLE to run when we want to. There's a difference. In recent years we'd have some nice running plays that inflated the rushing numbers, but when we really needed to pick up those 3rd & 1's, or even a 3rd & a foot - we couldn't convert. Also, in the red zone, it was sickening to not be able to run the ball (even Bush got stuffed often). And when it was a situation where we only had a foot or two to score, we ended up having to pass.

    If we fix that interior of the offensive line, we will begin to see a multi-faceted attack. Sure we can pass. But we don't HAVE to. We will have an array of ways to beat opponents. Not just the old "Cutler to Marshall" thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dabears View Post
    I really, really hope we land up with Jones and one of the 2 stud LG's available at 20 in the first round. It's a tough call with no 3rd so what do you do? Wait until the 4th for a LB? But this could be the one chance to finally get the OL fixed for years to come.
    This may seem controversial and will probably be unpopular but I would rather...

    Re-sign Urlacher to 2yr, incentive-laden deal
    Draft Cooper in 1
    Draft Jones in 2
    Draft bpa LB (Klein? Bostic?) in 4
    Worry about MLB in next years draft

    Improving the OL (and this + Bushrod does so massively) will pay huge dividends over replacing Urlacher this year with Ogletree.

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    This list is neat, but he's not exactly breaking any news here.

    A real sleeper steal. Jordan Campbell. His story is one of shit luck and bad breaks since he was a top LB recruit coming out of HS, and I really want to see him make it. LB or even FB could be in his future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MPBears68 View Post
    This may seem controversial and will probably be unpopular but I would rather...

    Re-sign Urlacher to 2yr, incentive-laden deal
    Draft Cooper in 1
    Draft Jones in 2
    Draft bpa LB (Klein? Bostic?) in 4
    Worry about MLB in next years draft

    Improving the OL (and this + Bushrod does so massively) will pay huge dividends over replacing Urlacher this year with Ogletree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MPBears68 View Post
    I really really really want one of those three OCs by the time our second pick is made. Jones is my preferred but get one of them please, Phil.

    You might get one of them later than that if we can manage to pick up a third or even Schwenke as late as the fourth.
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